Non-Sequitor!
Poll Silliest death and immediate resurrection?
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Non-Sequitor!
They got Leslie clones stacked like cord wood in the cargo bay.
They don't talk much, do they?
Talking costs extra.
Those only demonstrate Bennet's writing is lightyears ahead of JJ Abrams' and whoever wrote PIC's writing
There's no version of this where Kirk's losing David meant anything to him. He fell of his chair and then the grieving was immediately over. I love the classic movies to bits but David is treated horribly.
"I've never trusted Klingons, and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy."
There's also the fact that we never see what Kirk's "pain" is in The Final Frontier. I always thought it interesting that Shatner left it a mystery, but you could argue that it could have been David, or the life of being a father with a family that he gave up to be in Starfleet.
In Generations, when Picard finds Kirk in the Nexus, Kirk's fantasy is a life at home with someone, not being in the captain's chair of the Enterprise again.
He says the words but do you actually see any mourning beyond that first scene where it happens?
"I had a brother once..." poor Sam fares even worse.
Death only carries as much impact as the story requires it.
People talk about discontinuities with Trek, but then ignore things like Kirk forgetting he had a brother, or Spock weeping for V'Ger as a brother, whom was never disclosed until 4 movies later.
But, hey, when Kirk says "My God, Bones, what have I done?" He somehow sells that Spock's death has a cost. Sells the hell out of it...
Not explicitly, but it could be argued that the wounds from the loss of David inform Kirk's entire attitude toward the Klingons for a substantial chunk of the film.
"It didn't even occur to me to take Gorkon at his word."
Well, we don't know that Kirk forgot he had a brother. Harve Bennet was well versed in the series and I tend to believe that Kirk was flipping the script. "I lost a brother once..." knowing his friends were there when he found Sam's body, and then looks at Spock, "I was lucky I got him back." He just told Spock he was as close as his own brother not too long after saying "men like us don't have families." It's a sweet moment and it sure is a lot better than naming Sam and explaining who he was and that he died 20 years earlier....
Granted you can look at it as "he always meant Spock" but the scene takes on larger meaning and impact if you give Harve some credit for remembering Sam.
As for Kirk mourning David, what did you want? Ongoing tears? He cried between movies and carried that resentment all the way to the last act of the final film. David was remembered just fine.
Granted you can look at it as "he always meant Spock" but the scene takes on larger meaning and impact if you give Harve some credit for remembering Sam.
As for Kirk mourning David, what did you want? Ongoing tears? He cried between movies and carried that resentment all the way to the last act of the final film. David was remembered just fine.
I know he watched a lot of ( maybe all) the episodes looking for a "hook", but I don't know if enough stuck to call him well versed.
Not sure why Harve gets any leeway anyway.
I'm not inclined towards leeway for mistakes just because of references.
Look at it this way, if Berman made a similar mistake in the 90s or early 2000s, or Braga did fans would be crying fowl and demanding they be put on trial. If Kurtzman made such a mistake today, fans would want him fired for real.
Although, I suppose if Lord Terry made such a mistake his cultists would insist it's part of His Divine Plan.
SFS is the only one he has sole writing credit for. So I would be curious which "obscure" references can be attributed to him and not his co-writers or other people in the production.
Michael Burnham has shown us that fans hate it when their heroes cry over anything!
He lost his son, but showed far more sorrow over Spock and his ship and that's kinda messed up. Then there's him drinking and being merry with Klingons in V and then being retroactively made into a Klingon hating racist in VI.
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