Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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I thought I was missing LeVar's other kids.
Imagine the balancing act Terry Matalas had to go through to get the later made
All I know is that if I like all three seasons of Picard, I'll probably like Legacy. So, I have to post the way I post. I can't do the balancing act. I'll defend the show, stick up for it, and go all out. Just like with everything else I've ever liked. Whoever's with me will be with me. Whoever's not, won't be, and no hard feelings as long as they don't act like complete you-know-whats about it. It's too much work to worry about, "Oh! How's someone going to respond if I say I like XYZ?"
I'm not here for PR, or to be a pundit, I just want to talk about the show. "Terry worship annoys me!" First, you can like something without worshipping. Second, you can try to figure out his motives without worshipping (I really didn't appreciate the implication that I was a worshipper). And third, you know what annoyed me? Not people saying how great they think SNW is (I understand that, I did the same for Disco), but doing so while trashing everything else I've liked in New Trek since 2017. "Like my show because the two shows you like suck!" is not a way for someone to win me over to a show that didn't get me hooked, and where I only really like the episodes sometimes. "Discovery, that show you like so much, is horrible! Picard, that show you like so much, is horrible! Come watch Strange New Worlds!" What the Hell kind of a pitch is that? Have any of you ever thought about how that sounds like to someone who doesn't have the same point-of-view as you? Ever?
And the one poster who was the worst about being a "TerryTrekker" is barely posting here right now. He's the one who was really pushing for Jack Crusher. He's hardly around now. Yet some of you act like this forum is filled with him and 90% of the posts here are like that! "All the Terry worship!" No. It's very much the other way around, if you look at the reality of it. But, anyway...
"80s and '90s Nostalgia is bad! Here's some '60s Nostalgia instead!" They're two sides of the same coin. "No they're not!" Yes they are. If the TOS Cast weren't either dead or too old, and if they all got along, don't you think Alex Kurtzman would've tried to bring them back too? SNW has younger actors because that's the only way to keep "TOS" going. The TNG Cast is all still alive, old but not too old (except for arguably Patrick Stewart, who they didn't give much of any of the physical stuff to do), and they all still get along, as opposed to William Shatner and George Takei who make it look like they're at each others' throats. Whether it's for real or for show or somewhere in-between, I don't know or care anymore.
If someone doesn't want any nostalgia in their Star Trek, or very little of it at least, then I'll keep saying it: watch and support Discovery Seasons 3-5.
As far as Picard Season 3: I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm happier with THIS ending for TNG than I was with Nemesis. NEM ended on a dour note, in a half-full theater when I watched it, and I didn't leave being thrilled with what I saw. None of the cast liked the movie. Most of us didn't like the movie (lie all you want about it in 2023, but most of you didn't). Only a small handful of people actually liked it. No one else. Including the people who've now had the power to fix it. And I'm glad they actually fixed it instead of listening to most of you. Because now someone can watch the TNG Movies, then go to Picard and get a Happy Ending instead of a Shit Ending.
I'm not here for PR, or to be a pundit, I just want to talk about the show. "Terry worship annoys me!" First, you can like something without worshipping. Second, you can try to figure out his motives without worshipping (I really didn't appreciate the implication that I was a worshipper). And third, you know what annoyed me? Not people saying how great they think SNW is (I understand that, I did the same for Disco), but doing so while trashing everything else I've liked in New Trek since 2017. "Like my show because the two shows you like suck!" is not a way for someone to win me over to a show that didn't get me hooked, and where I only really like the episodes sometimes. "Discovery, that show you like so much, is horrible! Picard, that show you like so much, is horrible! Come watch Strange New Worlds!" What the Hell kind of a pitch is that? Have any of you ever thought about how that sounds like to someone who doesn't have the same point-of-view as you? Ever?
And the one poster who was the worst about being a "TerryTrekker" is barely posting here right now. He's the one who was really pushing for Jack Crusher. He's hardly around now. Yet some of you act like this forum is filled with him and 90% of the posts here are like that! "All the Terry worship!" No. It's very much the other way around, if you look at the reality of it. But, anyway...
"80s and '90s Nostalgia is bad! Here's some '60s Nostalgia instead!" They're two sides of the same coin. "No they're not!" Yes they are. If the TOS Cast weren't either dead or too old, and if they all got along, don't you think Alex Kurtzman would've tried to bring them back too? SNW has younger actors because that's the only way to keep "TOS" going. The TNG Cast is all still alive, old but not too old (except for arguably Patrick Stewart, who they didn't give much of any of the physical stuff to do), and they all still get along, as opposed to William Shatner and George Takei who make it look like they're at each others' throats. Whether it's for real or for show or somewhere in-between, I don't know or care anymore.
If someone doesn't want any nostalgia in their Star Trek, or very little of it at least, then I'll keep saying it: watch and support Discovery Seasons 3-5.
As far as Picard Season 3: I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm happier with THIS ending for TNG than I was with Nemesis. NEM ended on a dour note, in a half-full theater when I watched it, and I didn't leave being thrilled with what I saw. None of the cast liked the movie. Most of us didn't like the movie (lie all you want about it in 2023, but most of you didn't). Only a small handful of people actually liked it. No one else. Including the people who've now had the power to fix it. And I'm glad they actually fixed it instead of listening to most of you. Because now someone can watch the TNG Movies, then go to Picard and get a Happy Ending instead of a Shit Ending.
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Apologies if this is directed at me. No disrespect was intended. I generally view you as one of the more thoughtful and intelligent posters on here. I'll admit to being somewhat easily triggered by the "Matalas cult" that perhaps I see worship where none exists.
The only season of Picard I actively dislike is Season 2.
Season 1 is decent and season 3 was middle of the road. It has some excellent moments, and some oddball ones.
Season 1 is decent and season 3 was middle of the road. It has some excellent moments, and some oddball ones.
While the series as a whole is pretty down on my list, I appreciate season one for trying to do something different, even if it kinda fell apart in the end.
Season two was...... something.
Season three, I've made my opinions pretty clear on, but I'll reiterate that it was..... fine.
Definitely a bottle season. The whole Titan-A "refit thing" was dumb. The ship itself..... was odd. I was sick of the Alien market set after the first 5 minutes. Data should have stayed dead, but then you couldn't have bathed in the nostalgia of having the whole crew together. Bringing the Borg back... again, was dumb as dog shit. The Enterprise-D was nice to see, but felt like nostalgia bait. Plus it was probably not the most sound financial decision to spend that kinda money on a set they'll probably never use again.
But that's me.
Season two was...... something.
Season three, I've made my opinions pretty clear on, but I'll reiterate that it was..... fine.
Definitely a bottle season. The whole Titan-A "refit thing" was dumb. The ship itself..... was odd. I was sick of the Alien market set after the first 5 minutes. Data should have stayed dead, but then you couldn't have bathed in the nostalgia of having the whole crew together. Bringing the Borg back... again, was dumb as dog shit. The Enterprise-D was nice to see, but felt like nostalgia bait. Plus it was probably not the most sound financial decision to spend that kinda money on a set they'll probably never use again.
But that's me.
Seemed like a slam dunk.Imagine the balancing act Terry Matalas had to go through to get the later made
I realize I'm one of this board's "villains" (omg... I'm a fan of Berman era Trek, want continuity/the shared universe/think ST is a period piece, don't want a backdoor reboot, and think NuTrek is far less successful than it could have been), but I've found you to be a good faith poster, even though we highly disagree over one series in the franchise in particular.
Several people here engage in borderline bullying and dehumanization, while also wishing for Berman era Trek fans to be excommunicated from the ST fandom. You shouldn't have to take into account potential bullying in response to offering your opinion on different developments. Consider putting the bullies on ignore and moving on.
Speaking as someone who has butted heads with you in the past, I can say that my biggest issue is that if there is a "Cult of Matalas," you come off as one of their holy priest. You gate keep and insinuate that fans of the newer series are somehow "Lesser Trekkies."
Villains, eh?
Interesting perspective.
The fact that I'm ok with limited continuity does not mean I reject those who hold the view. I just work with Trek how it comes, not how I wish it to be.
Of course new Trek could have been better. But what do I do with it now that it exists? Ignore it? Disparage it? What?
This BBS does have its (seemingly coordinated) pile ons... maybe there's a WhatsApp group?
You frequently use hyperbole, but I don't remember experiencing any personal attacks from you. I hope you are holding SNW equally accountable for potential populism as you did PS3
How to deal with NuTrek continuity problems in universe? Play the alternate timeline card, then move on.
In real life, like what you like, dislike what you dislike, and support efforts to make more Star Trek that you would like.
I enjoy hyperbole and sarcasm. Those are my two primary languages.You frequently use hyperbole, but I don't remember experiencing any personal attacks from you. I hope you are holding SNW equally accountable for potential populism as you did PS3
And I'm always suspect of populism in media. SNW is ok, but seems to balance fan service and newness while not being perfect.
It's ok.
Go ahead.
I support a lot of Trek because nothing should cater to me.
I feel hyperbole can derail and hijack discussions. Sarcasm is very difficult to pull off in text form, especially if you have people here from different cultures and/or have English as a second language. I've spent over a third of my life outside the US, and it takes months, if not years, to understand another country's culture enough to pull it off. One person's joke might come across as passive agressive.
YMMV
Star Trek is behind a paywall. If Paramount+ wants me to pay to watch a series in real time, they should cater to me. I'll give a new series a few episodes, but I'm not paying to hate watch something ~seasons~ in. Well, unless they bring in a new showrunner I'm a pre-existing fan of...
May I ask why?
For me season 2 felt kind of the best of the lot.
(I'll edit this post later and expand)
Edit: OK I am back off mobile.
First off I will say that I found all seasons of Picard not the best, but it was watchable. I really couldn't get into season 1 though I had stuck with it to the very end. The whole Zhat Vash plot which started from the beginning I felt possibly didn't need to be there. They could have told this story without that and had the Synths rebellion be done by some other means instead, maybe by chance they had somehow evolved a little to make their own limited choices. Anyway I really didn't enjoy season 1.
I didn't really like season 3 either for various reasons but did find myself enjoying most of season 2 and yes it's a Q story but I really got into the 2nd season and did not mind this this time around. Usually a Q story I find makes me tune out.
Anyway that's all I wish to say.
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Then with you I'll be perfectly serious.
Well, I'm also willing to give it a couple of episodes.
No, I'm not needing perfectly catering to me.
I mean, parts of PS2 I found infuriating, and LOWER DECKS is 50% bad, but I watched those two. DISCOVERY after the Talos IV episode and SNW just fall under the unwatchable cut off point for me haha...
I just gotta ask.... what is it that makes SNW unwatchable?
Your loss.
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