I've always pronounced it "Throatwobbler Mangrove".
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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One can read that as "Infinite Diversity must, by definition include Visigoths, PTA members, Telephone Sanitizers, Prequel Fans, and other disreputables and really we just don't need the overhead."
Of course it gets tricky when you try to figure out who gets to pick what the subset is. IDIC isn't a description of what should be, it is a description of what is. ("It doesn't take all kinds! We just HAVE all kinds!")
As a pointy eared hobgoblin once said: "Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
IMHO of course.
I just re-watched Voyager's "Real Life" again. Always a tough episode to see. Even though the point of the episode was to have the Doctor understand what it's like to have a "real" family, I feel he was woefully unprepared for the experience even beyond what Torres and Paris thought. The Doctor didn't grown up like a normal human. He didn't have a childhood that allowed him to explore and experience grief and sorrow in a way that allowed him to process such things. He was a Hologram created in the image of a guy and then thrust into a world where all he was supposed to care about was having the right hypospray in hand. His circumstances obviously expanded his lot in life, but I feel his experience in this episode was ultimately very scarring and counter-productive. I feel it very much contributed to his mental breakdown in "Latent Image". Still think it's Picardo's finest performances as the Doctor, though.
*applause*
"I've re-translated. It doesn't say 'everyone eats Niblix.' It says 'NIblix eats everything!'"
I thought it was very productive and a good lesson for the Doctor on how tough family life can be.
Yes it did show how hard family life could be, but it also scarred him and made it harder from him to accept the death of people he personally knew. Is the family ever mentioned again (canon or otherwise)? I don't think he ever returned to the program after this episode.
In the show, never again.
Which is more than a little frustrating when it's this big emotional moment and never gets mentioned again. It doesn't define the Doctor further, his ability as a physician is not changed, or his relationships. Picardo sells the hell out of it and yet it doesn't feel like it matters as much as it was sold.
Which is more frustrating to me because I'm sitting there going "losing a child? People mourn for years over that." Apparently that's solved now.
That was a big problem in the Berman era. I recall Ronald D. Moore saying that sometimes things would happen on TNG to characters that was life altering, like Picard's alternate life in The Inner Light, and they wouldn't follow up on them even though you get the sense that these characters weren't the same after the experience. It was due to the first-run syndication nature of TNG and DS9, but the habit was still maintained on the network exclusive Voyager. Remember Torres' depression? That was supposedly cured by the end of the episode as indicated by her eating blueberry pancakes.
I had come across two articles - one on Quora and one on Reddit - that justified Section 31's act of attempted genocide against the Founders and the Federation's support of that act. Now, I realize I'm talking about Reddit and Quora. But the idea that there are Star Trek fans who saw nothing wrong with what Section 31 did is just appalling to me.
"Real Life" is an outstanding VOY episode. I often pick it as my favorite. One of the sadly relatively few examples of Star Trek swinging for the fences.
There's a reason "Dukat did nothing wrong." became a meme.
IDIC: not just for canon disputes any more.
There's a long road between "nothing wrong" and "still should have been done". It was an awful answer to a truly existential threat. I don't even think the plan to eliminate the Borg is in the same league.
My objection is that it was Section 31. An organization so evil it might not even exist!
If the only way of winning the war (and there was no way of knowing otherwise at that point) was total retaliation then the Federation should have been able to stomach it. (While being necessarily a secret. You can have secrets without Section 31 -
An organization so evil it might not even exist!)
I don't remember if it was ever made clear: Was the Dominion given any opportunity to negotiate? Or was the feeling that if they knew it was the Fed's doing that the D's would be able to reverse it? Or did they even HAVE a cure?
Since it's the Federation (and I do recall that when the Normal Feds found out about the plot they were still all in on it) then I would assume there would be a point when the D's were defeated enough and could then be saved. Or the attempt made. Obviously the losses would be horrific. I believe the losses on this side of the hole were horrific as well and the war wasn't over yet.
But you leave it with Section 31 (an organization so evil it might not even exist!) then THEY can just let all of the Founders whither and die and S31(aoseimnee) can whistle while they work. And the Normal Feds don't ever have to sully their hands or even record a pretend Captain's log.
I don't like Section 31. (You know.)
Yes, and their answer was "give us the Alpha Quadrant." And when faced with imminent defeat the next answer was "kill everything."
As you put it, an existential threat.
He earned that knighthood dammit!
Do you feel that what S31 did against the Founders was worse than what Starfleet was doing against Jem-hadar ships, using phasers and torpedoes to kill (sometimes) everyone aboard.
The Founder were in control, the Jem-hadar were slaves.
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