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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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At the end of DS9 Season 1: I like "In the Hands of the Prophets" better than "Duet". Stories dealing with the Holocaust and its aftermath are a dime a dozen, analogue or not, Star Trek or not. One that isn't covered as much is teaching science versus teaching religion in the classroom. Nazis (or Cardassians in this case) are obvious enemies. Not much controversy there. The Science vs. Religion Argument, on the other hand, was touchy in 1993 and still is. So, I'm glad they had a Star Trek episode about it. Both are good episodes, don't get me wrong, but I give the slight edge to "In the Hands of the Prophets"... which probably drives my take into the Controversial Opinions column.
You make a valid argument for "IN THE HANDS OF THE PROPHETS" being better than "DUET". I don't agree, but your argument of that point is excellent.
I will say these two episodes back to back signify something DS9 did fairly often... the one-two punch episodes. By this I mean two episodes, back to back, are excellent in their own right... 10 out of 10 scale episodes. Examples:
"DUET", "IN THE HANDS OF THE PROPHETS"
"THE WAY OF THE WARRIOR", "THE VISITOR" (aired back to back, because "HIPPOCRATIC OATH" was produced in between these)
"IN THE CARDS", "CALL TO ARMS"
Actually, the original Magnum PI would time travel occasionally by portraying the characters as film noir 30s and 40s versions of themselves. Bones did it, too. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4157792/
It can be done, in dream/vision/hallucinations sequences, which are the non-sci-fi equivalent of a holodeck episode. (Though sometimes characters in Trek have these, too). Daydreams where a character casts the people in a book he's reading with his friends playing the roles, also.
For sure it can be done, but they have to convolute some shitty reason to contrive such an episode. That was my argument in the first place. No contrivance needed for Star Trek because the ability to tell more varied stories is baked into the show.
God. Film Noir Magnum PI. It sounds like total shit.
IDIC < Social progress.
I'm reading that as IDIC is not as good as social progress. Yeah?
Correct.
I like most of the characters to an extent but there is an element of it being grim dark not-so-idealized-paradise hooray(!!!!1!) contrarianism for its own sake and its arc elements also being a little too self-impressed and not that successful.
Yes I think a quite good example of there being character flaws and conflict and yet them not being overblown or feeling out-of-place with the general idealized setting, understandable and leading to actually growth and improvement.
It appears some have placed Picard on some high chair of "perfection" to the degree that he is always above guilt or condemnation. In reality, there is no way a man is going to look in the face of one responsible for his wife's death and not feel hatred and/or speak to him in a cold or disrespectful manner. Picard was no "perfect hero" to Sisko. He was merely a man--one that could not be hand waved / surgically separated from the Borg conflict.
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Sisko did nothing wrong in context. Maybe violate the Starfleet conventions of courtesy and respecting the chain of command, but that can be forgiven considering Sisko's PTSD from Wolf 359 and losing his wife.
The fact Sisko wasn't even more disrespectful in that meeting is something Picard ought to be thankful for. Angry Ben Sisko is not a good thing.
The fact Sisko wasn't even more disrespectful in that meeting is something Picard ought to be thankful for. Angry Ben Sisko is not a good thing.
Does anyone know if “the Writers for Picard” were the same ones that wrote him for that episode?
Often, I go to the Writing…
Michael Piller wrote (had sole 'written by' credit) both parts of "The Best of Both Worlds", and did the teleplay and had co-story credit with Rick Berman.
Thank you!
One of the 3x10^23 reasons I love this Board!
Ever since I saw the episode air, that interchange made me a little unsettled.
Not sure if it was that way on purpose, but some of the points made in this Thread, re: Sisko’s mindset, gave me pause and perspective!
It was also a visual way of showing that Sisko has moved on from the grief because the Prophets helped him see he was stuck there for years.
Sisko's demeanor seeing Picard early in the episode was completely different to his last scene with Picard at the end.
Sisko's demeanor seeing Picard early in the episode was completely different to his last scene with Picard at the end.
Regarding who the best engineer was... Scotty is only just behind O'Brien as the best, and for a simple reason.
O'Brien was working on and repairing alien ships on a daily basis. (DS9 is Cardassian in origin, plus making sure it works well with Starfleet and Bajoran tech is no small feat, in addition to all the ships that dock at DS9.)
That takes some damn good skill and intelligence to be that good with so many different types of ships.
O'Brien was working on and repairing alien ships on a daily basis. (DS9 is Cardassian in origin, plus making sure it works well with Starfleet and Bajoran tech is no small feat, in addition to all the ships that dock at DS9.)
That takes some damn good skill and intelligence to be that good with so many different types of ships.
Plus, keeping Keiko happy! (Not like that…)
I would argue that IDIC can be foundational to social progress. Once one respects and even celebrates the diversity of people and their perspectives, it's impossible to see them as "lesser" or "bad".
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