Superman
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All the reaction videos I've seen for Superman '78 are for the theatrical cut. I'd love to see ones for the Director's or even TV cuts.
This is not quite a perfect video -- I think he underappreciates the success of Adams's Lois in Snyder's films, plus the extended ad toward the beginning is intrusive and annoying -- but by God he gets most of it right, including the idea (as my sig has expressed for ages) that "Superman is inherently a love story," and that Clark + Lois is far and away the most important aspect of any Superman narrative.
It's too bad that the Donner movies ended up showing us much more likable love interests like Lana in 3 and Lacy in 4.
Elizabeth Tulloch's Lois is probably the best adaptation of her yet, because there's none of that silly "Clark/Lois/Superman" fake triangle stuff going on.
Elizabeth Tulloch's Lois is probably the best adaptation of her yet, because there's none of that silly "Clark/Lois/Superman" fake triangle stuff going on.
Tulloch is indeed great, as was Adams. Dispensing with the "triangle for two" is not the sole reason in either case -- I think both actresses' performances benefit greatly from their more naturalistic, less mannered approaches to the character -- but it's always better when Lois knows.
I will never forgive Amy for being Ginger, and not Lana.
For those who are fans of the Donner Cut I was reading yesterday that for the past few years there was a digital version of the film available on vudu, amazon, google, youtube that had a run time of 122 minutes. The actual cut is 116 minutes. It seems now that this issue has been corrected now with the update to 4K and only the 116 minute version is available. Was anyone lucky enough to get the 122 minute version?
Lana hasn't been one (in live action) for thirty years, so I guess they decided it was time to swap.
No idea if it's a full six minutes longer, but I did see the version that contained the little kid who explodes. Apparently that scene was in the Donner Cut until almost the last minute, so it was fully mixed and prepped and made it's way into the digital release on some platforms.
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Yep, that's it. That's one of the scenes in the extended version.
"Lois & Clark" had dispensed with that "love triangle" by the end of its second season. Cavill and Adams' Superman/Clark and Lois never had the triangle, because she had learned his true identity halfway into "Man of Steel".
Smallville had Lois learn about Clark's secret early into their relationship as well, although it was well into the series itself.
Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman dispensed with the triangle for two midway through the series, and the current My Adventures with Superman animated show waited only a few episodes. And of course, it hasn't been part of the comics themselves for decades (except for the ill-conceived and mercifully abandoned "New 52" version). It's pretty much an historical artifact at this point.
Though I have the feeling Gunn may revive it in Superman: Legacy, given that the movie is apparently set relatively early in Superman's career, and that I think there's a perceived desire to return to a more "traditional" take post-Snyderverse. And for much of the general public, whose vague impression of the characters is still mostly informed by the Donnerverse, it's likely what they expect as the default.
Though I have the feeling Gunn may revive it in Superman: Legacy, given that the movie is apparently set relatively early in Superman's career, and that I think there's a perceived desire to return to a more "traditional" take post-Snyderverse. And for much of the general public, whose vague impression of the characters is still mostly informed by the Donnerverse, it's likely what they expect as the default.
I think there is a lot of good story potential to be mined in showing the Clark\Superman dynamic, and how Lois learns and responds to his secret.
I just like Lois as partner, confidante, lover, ally, and hero in her own right -- not as plot device. For me, that's best accomplished when she's in on the secret and can be with Clark as an equal with full knowledge and agency. It's not the only way Lois can work, but I think it's how she works best.
Those aren't the only two options though. If she's not in on the secret, that doesn't automatically make her a plot device.
That said, I prefer her knowing as well.
Unless she knew, and said nothing, so that he would have to buy her two Christmas Presents, every Christmas.
I think there's a way to do the love triangle without Clark coming across as an asshole, but the arc needs to be written very carefully to make it clear Clark doesn't want to keep the secret but feels compelled to for reasons of safety. And the arc needs to end, Lois needs to find out, and Clark needs to willingly accept responsibility for lying to Lois. And the secret needs to be written as never causing Lois severe pain.
When I watch the George Reeves Superman show, I like to imagine that Lois, Jimmy, and Perry know his secret but are just humoring him.