Star Trek : Generations - Nexus Ribbon

[Dukhat]

True. But they did put in the story that any ship that goes near it is destroyed. For the purposes of the plot I'll grant the point that you take a chance using a ship. Perhaps there's a good chance the Nexus will take you on a ship, but there's also a chance you might get destroyed before it takes you and you die. An argument can be made that Soran's obsession made it that he didn't want to take any chances, how ever minimal. They might have pushed that point a little more to state why he might not want to use a ship this time (as an aside, I also wish they pushed the point that Kirk's death, however badly it was handled, did help save an entire civilization on Veridian IV--I have no doubt Kirk would give his life to save a planet, even one he never heard of, but that point was forgotten by that point).

But I still say, given that, why didn't Soran just put on a space suit, beam himself into space where he knew the Nexus would be (since it followed a predictable course) and just wait for it to come to him? There was no need to go to the trouble of destroying stars to do that. And I don't know how far the Nexus went, but he might have been able to do that years before and not waited so long.

Oh, I agree with you 100%. The Nexus was just a poorly-thought-out plot device to get Kirk and Picard together, and how it was described in the film was not even consistent with how it was portrayed in the same film.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

What I remember from reading the GEN novelization back then, seems to imply that Guinan and Soran didn't completely enter the Nexus and were still partly on the Lakul. So both may simply have died, when the ship was destroyed.

 

[publiusr]

True. But they did put in the story that any ship that goes near it is destroyed. For the purposes of the plot I'll grant the point that you take a chance using a ship. Perhaps there's a good chance the Nexus will take you on a ship, but there's also a chance you might get destroyed before it takes you and you die. An argument can be made that Soran's obsession made it that he didn't want to take any chances, how ever minimal. They might have pushed that point a little more to state why he might not want to use a ship this time (as an aside, I also wish they pushed the point that Kirk's death, however badly it was handled, did help save an entire civilization on Veridian IV--I have no doubt Kirk would give his life to save a planet, even one he never heard of, but that point was forgotten by that point).

But I still say, given that, why didn't Soran just put on a space suit, beam himself into space where he knew the Nexus would be. And I don't know how far the Nexus went, but he might have been able to do that years before and not waited so long.

The only thing I can think of is that the whiplashing fields may also be fatal in advance of the Nexus.

A large enough asteroid ship…maybe.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

The only thing I can think of is that the whiplashing fields may also be fatal in advance of the Nexus.

A large enough asteroid ship…maybe.

Iirc Kirk was directly hit by the discharge and that's how he ended up in the Nexus.

 

[publiusr]

The hull took the hit and he was injested?

 

[Dryson]

The plot hole that is the Nexus wouldn't be so bad if they had explained why Picard chose to go back in time to the mountaintop on Veridian III right before Soran launched his missile into the sun instead of going back earlier in time to arrest Soran before he could ever get to Veridian III. Guinan even tells Picard that if he leaves the Nexus he can go back at any point in time, anywhere.

All the writers had to do was just have Guinan say that if you leave the Nexus you'll spawn a little bit before from when you entered it in the same place you entered it. Boom, problem solved.

Why not go back in time and alter the course of the two transport ships so that they do not encounter the Nexus in the first place? No one would really know what happened.

 

[Dryson]

What I remember from reading the GEN novelization back then, seems to imply that Guinan and Soran didn't completely enter the Nexus and were still partly on the Lakul. So both may simply have died, when the ship was destroyed.

If both died, then how did Guinan exist aboard the Enterprise D?

 

[penguin44]

Exactly! If she wasn't ever on the D, then Picard could not go back in time to save her, thus the events of Time's Arrow would be very different. Not to mention, not really knowing much about the Borg or any of the other things she actually brought to the table.

 

[David cgc]

If both died, then how did Guinan exist aboard the Enterprise D?

I think that means "Guinan and Soran may have died when the Lakul exploded rather than go into the Nexus if the Enterprise-B hadn't beamed them off the ship."

 

[Allyn Gibson]

What I remember from reading the GEN novelization back then, seems to imply that Guinan and Soran didn't completely enter the Nexus and were still partly on the Lakul.

I always interpreted it that the Lakul survivors were in the transporter field when the ship disintegrated, so they were both in and not in the Nexus. (Like light, it's both a wave and a particle!) Thus, they have part of themselves in the "real world" and part of themselves in the "Nexus world." And that's how Guinan senses things, and presumably Soran and the others can as well, because they also exist in a place outside of time, where all times and places co-exist.

 

[Qonundrum]

Maybe the Nexus is like the Borg…join us for joy…

A little plot knitting could reveal the Nexus is a part of Unimartix Zero, the subconscious of the drones, and all this time everyone's been assimilated...

Eh, maybe not. That's too grim. GEN is still a ruddy mixed bag. A dream sequence is the easiest way out of it, but that easter egg thing in PIC definitely gets my respect, turning lemons into lemonade.

I'd be willing to bet that Hot Tub Time Machine has more internal consistency than Generations.

Is that a euphemism?