It is indeed, according to the Prodigy people on TwitterX she has batmobile armour and slipstream.
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Does it have transphasic torpedoes. or were they able to intigrate the Stealth Tech??
Are we going back to Polarize the Hull Plating?
Are we going back to Polarize the Hull Plating?
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Getting rid of an entire starship to serve such a purpose is asinine.
Yeah, are those even windows or lights or what? If they are windows and the ship is 29 decks then that makes the windows 2 decks high
It’s great.
They won’t be using the Protostar, because it was destroyed.
Because PIC takes place in 2401, and PRO takes place in 2384. Or you could speculate that PIC and PRO do not take place in the same continuity, in which case none of that matters.
Yes…but bureaucracy often is.
How utopian.
Well, the fake Dauntless was an alien design. For Starfleet, their Dauntless would probably just be the Dauntless (not II).
As for the size comparison, well, that doesn't make too much sense since both are supposed to be of similar/same size.
The SF made Dauntless seems to have 7 decks if the MSD from ST: Prodigy is to be taken into account. As such, it should be same size as the fake Dauntless, just different in some design aspects (because its SF made/adjusted).
Those comparison shots of fake Dauntless and SF Dauntless look more like what the Protostar would be size-wise in relation to the SF Dauntless.
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As you said, the deployable proto-warp nacelle does look visually appealing, however, practically, it makes little sense to have it inside the ship most of the time.
Then again, with this being a prototype of the drive, its possible that SF (at least at the time) figured it would be better to have the extra proto-warp nacelle inside the ship for easier maintenance since it wouldn't be in use most of the time, reducing its profile... plus its an early version... so this could be how SF does stuff, deployable tech first maybe because its easier to do, and then work out the design if it goes into production to improve it - though it could also be just for demonstration purposes in this iteration of the drive.
The registry of the Protostar suggests the vessel is of a design from roughly mid 2370-ies ( a few years after USS VOY launch)... though its possible that its construction didn't start until much later as designing a ship takes longer vs actually building it - and it seemingly takes advantage of that shrinking anomaly from DS9 which Worf suggested SF could use in development of TransWarp - so if they managed to capture and shrink a protostar for just that purpose, then it makes sense since most of the DQ technologies resulted in other technologies like the QS Drive, merger of Borg and SF tech (advanced Astrometrics), maybe better shielding, weapons (if the crew ever got their hands on that canon from Kovin's people which would be able to penetrate thick armor), etc.- aka it's something not directly related to tech VOY brought back (but the crew's knowledge and subsequent communique with SF from the DQ could have helped in refining SF's approaches to proto-drive after they established permanent contact in 'Pathfinder' and VOY transmitted all the ship's logs and crew reports to home.
In universe, SF seems content in doing some things just because they can do them. Even VOY used rotating nacelles (though an off-screen explanation was to mitigate the damaging effects of Warp) and is a unique feature to the Intrepid class ships (pretty much all other ships seem to have stationary nacelles suggesting their innards were likely modified to mitigate harmful effects of Warp later on without having to use deployable technology).
So, varying reasons could be behind deployable proto nacelle.
Since it is experimental it would be logical to have it accessible for testing, maintenance and tweaking based upon data received from use of the engine.
I'd love if the Dauntless class was bigger and the Dauntless II class was smaller, so they match and I could swap out parts between them. Space Barbie is the real endgame.
Until you mentioned it in the next clause, I'd totally forgotten about the literal tiny star powering the ship and thought this was an absolutely wild rationalization for the official length of the ship being a third of the designed length based on the highly-visible bridge and boarding ramp.
That's MSD size of Arturis Dauntless - 7 visible decks.
This is the Starfleet Made Dauntless. It also has 7 decks.
The SF made Dauntless does differ in some design choices (such as less thick aft/neck with a big radiator hole, somewhat altered nacelles and the saucer section seemingly has the harder transition on Deck 5 (whereas on the Arturis Dauntless, this transition was higher - on deck 3).
So, same size, deck count and general design, but certain design bits were obviously changed - but in terms of interchanging components... not sure if that's possible because of how 'integrated' the whole design seems to be, and there's no indication SF actually built the fake Dauntless with exactly the same specs as Arturis Dauntless... so, the NCC 80816 seems like a design choice that came about from studying the data VOY crew acquired of Arturis Dauntless and modified it to fit their technology.
I'd really like to see Prodigy expand on the QS drive and just give most other/new ships Slipstream capabilities (even if its slower v1 which tops out at 666 Ly's in cruise mode, and 300 Ly's per hour but doesn't need benemite crystals as a result - just modified structural integritiy fields designed to withstand quantum stresses) - it should really address the distinction between QS used by Arturis Dauntless (which VOY was able to use with a few mods) and the reworked QS version 2 from Timeless that used benemite crystals and was far faster.
So, most SF ships as I see it by 2383 should be able to at least make use of QS v1 of slower cruising speed which is about 27.75 Ly's per hour and could be sustained indefinitely (they can keep the maximum 300 Ly's per hour in the realm that SF ships with modified structural integrity can withstand this maximum speed for about 2 to 4 hours) in addition to regular Warp drive... and Arturis Dauntless didn't use Antimatter (or dilithium as far as we know).
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I only mentioned the shrinking anomaly from DS9 because Worf said SF could make use of that research for developing Transwarp, and it makes in universe sense (continuity wise) that SF would use that to shrink down a Protostar to something they can effectively 'bottle up' if you will and use for proto-warp (which is Transwarp).
This also sets the Protodrive apart from tech VOY brought back and suggests that SF came up with it all by itself.
The only major problem is that it relies on 2 warp cores to power the proto-warp containtment... for some reason, SF hadn't figured out how to use the Protocore itself to power the whole ship and its own containment - maybe because the energy levels it emits would be too great for SF power transfer systems and at the time it wasn't possible for the power transfer conduits to just 'sip power' from it to power itself constantly), but instead, they can just dump the large surge in power into the Proto-Warp nacelle for a jump).
If the Protostar is effectively a 'baby star' then it would likely produce something like 1% of an actual G type star (which is rated at 385 yottawatts)... so, about 3.85 yottawats.(or 3850000 exawatts - bear in mind that the ENT-D Warp core power output was rated at about 12.7 exawatts).
And if the Proto-core itself onboard the USS Protostar is a shrunk down version of an actual Protostar (which in real life is massive), with the help of that shrinking anomaly which SF likely turned into tech, that would also reduce the power output of the Protostar to about 1% of its original output (if we assume 100x reduction would result in similar reduction in power output)... resulting in the Protocore power output being 38500 exawatts (which is quite a bit more than what the ENT-D capable of, aka, 3000 x more - assuming that the Protostar uses more advanced warp cores, each core could be rated at about 15 exawatts perhaps? So 30 exawatts in total (maybe 40 if we're being really generous in which case the protostar would be 962x more powerful)... that's a far cry for the power transfer conduits to handle in experimental vessel, but I doubt the same would be the case in 10 15 years from 2383 (so round about the time of ST Picard S1, SF should have been able to adjust their power transfer systems to accommodate for something around that level of power - or at least the ability to 'sip' from the protocore - enough so the vessel would have a virtually inexhaustible and ridiculously overpowered power core capable of powering its own containment as well as other systems on board (Which would remove the need for dilithium and M/AM from the picture).
EDIT: my power generation numbers were a bit off.
Protostars would likely have an energy output of 0.1% of a G-Type star (not 1%), therefore, 385 000 exawatts.
If this is further reduced by about 100x, the energy of a protostar in a gravimetric containment would be 3850 exawatts (about 10x less vs what I estimated)... and more 'manageable' for a burst of energy needed for TW - but still out of reach for SF to make use as a general power source (at least in 2383)... but I still maintain that 10-15 years of R&D would have been more than enough time for SF to make headways in power transwer tech to make use of the protocore as a regular power source and power its own containment and other systems onboard.
But reducing a protostar by another 100x would only shrink it to a radii of 34000 km... which is significantly huge.
Don't think something planet sized fits into a proto containment... and if you go down another 100x, you reduce it to 340km... so it would need another reduction of 1000x on top of that to get to 0.034km (or 34 meters in radii...that seems eminently more possible to fit it inside a protowarp containment, but its energy density would fall to about 0.0385 exawatts- well below a single Warp core of the ENT-D... so in this case, SF must have found a way to shrink down a Protostar, but preserve its energy output - or at least a lot of it... so while there would be energy reduction in the protostar from its shrinkage, it might not be proportional/dependent on its size... mainly because it depend on the amount gravimetric energy the thing is able to produce, and this could be something that is more energetic so the reduction curve wouldn't be linear, but far less than - something akin to a tiny black hole if you will which is able to produce huge amounts of energy despite being tiny - and its still deadly).
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