DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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I don't know if people are superhero fatique, or bad writing/terrible special effects fatique, which I am.
Be it Marvel, be it DC, be it what ever... I still love superhero movies and watch them often.
The older ones, that I thought were well written and looked amazing. Like you said. If I put on one of the newer ones right now, like for example Multiverse of Madness, it's because I can do shit on my phone and drink a beer or two and some snacks and check up on stuff on my phone and chat with friends and look up every now and than and go 'Yeah, it was cool that Sir Patrick came back for this'. That's it.
The reason I'm skeptical of the idea of superhero fatigue is that superhero fiction encompasses many different genres -- science fiction, fantasy, crime drama, horror, espionage, space opera, you name it. Even if audiences can get tired of a particular genre, it's hard to buy that they could get tired of all of them at once.
For me it's because it follows on from WandaVision. I was lucky enough to not have been spoiled for Xavier's appearance.
I feel like I enjoyed it more the second time I saw it, but there are some questionable choices, especially toward the end.
Strange 2 made nearly a billion worldwide. Wakanda Forever, The Batman, Thor Love and Thunder, and Guardians 3 all made over 700 million each. Across the Spider-Verse about 680.
People still go to see superhero movies. They're just pickier about which ones than they used to be. But I think that goes for all films, not just superhero stuff.
(I'm not saying box office equals quality, I'm just saying these movies pulled in significant audience numbers.)
People still go to see superhero movies. They're just pickier about which ones than they used to be. But I think that goes for all films, not just superhero stuff.
(I'm not saying box office equals quality, I'm just saying these movies pulled in significant audience numbers.)
Well, you virtually can say the same about westerns: they can be drama, comedy, horror and so on. The fact remains that at some point people stopped going to see them.
Of course, but that's a much narrower range than what I'm talking about; the whole reason I didn't mention comedy/drama is because that's a second axis on the graph. SF can be comedy, drama or horror. So can fantasy. So can naturalistic action/crime drama, or espionage, or space opera. Westerns can only be stories set in the colonial West of North America (although there can be stories set elsewhere that pastiche the genre, like Mad Max or Outland). Space opera has to be in space. Fantasy has to have magic or supernatural elements. And so on. But all of them, Westerns included, can have superheroes in them. (Indeed, the first masked vigilante hero in fiction was a Western character, Zorro.) That's built into the evolutionary history of comics, as superhero fiction came to dominate the lines of publishers that had produced stories in diverse genres, so that those other genres ended up getting folded in under the metacategory of superhero comics.
Spielberg made a similar comparison, and he's not incorrect in the grand scheme of things. Despite some bigger budgeted and/or well-performing Westerns released at the end of the 60s (e.g., 1968's Hang 'Em High, 1969's True Grit, The Wild Bunch, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid), and into the dawn of the next decade (1973's High Plains Drifter for one example), movie audience across several generations had been soaked in Western movies (and endless TV series) to the point that no new take on the basic genre was going to make said genre fresh and worthy of audiences' precious time as in earlier decades.
Contrary to the simplistic view that the rise of other movie genres (the Disaster movies, gritty police dramas, big-budget horror films, etc.) were the one and only reason for the decline of the Western, the problem was from within, as there were only so many stories the industry could set in the 19th century's American West, Mexico, etc., before it became a repetitious blur. Superhero films of the 21st century have reached that point in less than 23 years, with a flood of productions all wanting to milk as many licensed properties for as long as possible. The issue rests with that desire far exceeding the ability to create compelling stories. If anyone can be truly honest with themselves, would they say 50 to 70% of this century's superhero movies are great? I'm not hearing that from any sizable number of movie goers just speaking their minds. The Western reached that same point, and could not provide a positive answer to that percentage question, hence its rapid decline, so few should be surprised if the superhero film faces a similarly severe drop off (more than what's happening now).
I had no problems whatsoever with Cavill, Affleck and Gadot as the DC Trinity. I had no problems with Mamoa, Fisher and maybe even Miller as the rest of the Justice League. I had no problems with Amell, Gustin, Benoist, Cassidy, Loitz, Williams, Routh and the rest of the actors portraying the DC Arrowverse heroes and heroines. The only actor with whom I had a problem playing Batman was George Clooney, because I think director Joel Schumacher or the other talents behind "Batman and Robin" had failed to give him enough material to do justice to the role. Along with Cavill, I had no problems with the other actors I've seen portrayed Superman. I had no problems with Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman.
Frankly, most of the actors I've seen in these superhero movies and TV shows have been first-rate. I just can't say the same for some of the movies and shows I've seen. I once saw two television movies that featured Reb Brown as Steve Rogers aka Captain America. Frankly, I was impressed by his performance, even if I thought the two movies he did were utter crap.
When people start claiming that only one or two actors/actresses were the perfect ones in a particular role, I really have great difficulty in agreeing with this assessment.
Yup. I never thought anyone would top Sean Connery as James Bond but if I put my head over my heart, I’d have to admit that Daniel Craig probably did. I love Bale as Batman but Affleck was a great, physical take on the role and R-Pattz brought a whole new quality that I find just as enjoyable. Tom Baker was always my Doctor Who but ultimately I grew to enjoy Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi just as much or more. And I’ll be delighted if Ncuti Gatwa is even better than them. Christopher Reeve is my Superman but I find a lot to enjoy in Routh, Cavill and Hoechlin’s performances and I look forward to seeing Corenswet’s version too.
Any iconic role is and should be ripe for reinvention. As Roger Moore mischievously said when asked about his Bond film Octopussy being released in the same year as Connery’s Never Say Never Again, nobody bats an eyelid when Gielgud and Olivier are both playing King Lear in rival theatres.
I wouldn't say that 50 to 70% of any genre is great, not this century nor last century. Granted, I wasn't around to see everything as it came out prior to 1985. But that also means that the vast majority of what I've seen from the pre-85 period is stuff that other people liked enough for it to stick around for a while, and yet I still wouldn't say that period ever reached such a high standard.
I need to read pages 580 and 581, and respond to much more....
But was looking at Box Office Mojo. ON Monday Aug 14, the Flash made $186 dollars in its last 16 theaters... an average of $11 per theater... so i assumer aeveral empty showings that day. It did better on days like discount Tuesday.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/date/2023-08-14/
Really hoping for the best for Blue Beetle...but might not be able to make it thia weekend
But was looking at Box Office Mojo. ON Monday Aug 14, the Flash made $186 dollars in its last 16 theaters... an average of $11 per theater... so i assumer aeveral empty showings that day. It did better on days like discount Tuesday.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/date/2023-08-14/
Really hoping for the best for Blue Beetle...but might not be able to make it thia weekend
I just saw Blue Beetle this evening. The main actor is pretty decent at the role. The visuals and tone of the movie reminded me of a cross between Ant Man and Iron Man. But, the dialogue was just so bad in so many places and the story itself was so reminiscent of the super-hero movies we've already had that I would not recommend it at all to anyone not invested in DC Comics or even the character specifically. The movie also tries to be an homage to Latino Americans, specifically with Mexican Americans but this fails on so many levels that it really crosses over into coming across as a racist parody (Yes, I know that wasn't the intent) which was painful and embarrassing. I really feel badly for Xolo Maridueña as he is talented and really does a great job in the role. I'd love to see him return as the Blue Beetle again--maybe when the Gunnverse does its version of the Titans, Blue and Gold, or the JLI.
I should also mention that there were seven people in the theatre including my group of five. I'm currently in Colombia visiting my wife's family and I would have expected a lot more people to turn out for a movie with so much Spanish in it. Granted, this was the 5pm showing of the movie and subtitled rather than dubbed, so maybe the full Spanish versions did better.
I should also mention that there were seven people in the theatre including my group of five. I'm currently in Colombia visiting my wife's family and I would have expected a lot more people to turn out for a movie with so much Spanish in it. Granted, this was the 5pm showing of the movie and subtitled rather than dubbed, so maybe the full Spanish versions did better.
Star Trek: Our last movie underperformed, best stay away from cinema for the foreseeable future and concentrate on streaming.
DC: MAKE MORE MOVIES KNOWING THEY'RE DOOMED PUBLICLY UNDERMINE THEM LIE CONSTANTLY IN MEDIA INTERVIEWS GUT OUR OWN ONLINE SERVICE BURN IT ALLLLLLLLLLL
DC: MAKE MORE MOVIES KNOWING THEY'RE DOOMED PUBLICLY UNDERMINE THEM LIE CONSTANTLY IN MEDIA INTERVIEWS GUT OUR OWN ONLINE SERVICE BURN IT ALLLLLLLLLLL