What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[JonnyQuest037]

They could put an extended moratorium on Khan Singh, Soongs, augments and all that stuff and I think Trek as a whole would benefit hugely from it.

I'd definitely add Section 31 to that list.

 

[Unicron]

Considering TOS episodes were roughly 49-50 minutes long, if you watched them on broadcast or syndication, chances are high that you missed a LOT of scenes. An hour of programming now has around 18-20 minutes of commercials, leaving about 40-42 minutes (at best) for an episode. I remember when I was a kid, the TOS episodes I saw on tv and watching them when I rented them from Blockbuster, I was floored to discover many scenes I never saw before. It was a real treat for me.

I admit, I couldn't resist chuckling at an annoying edit of TNG's "Heart of Glory" where most of Worf's dialogue with Korris in Engineering is snipped out, which is a highlight of the episode. Korris also looks far sillier, because he goes from being excited at seeing Worf to being suddenly angry at him, for no apparent reason without the proper context. Oddly, his final bit of dialogue (where he rants about Worf not being a real Klingon) was left in, but with none of the other essential conversation.

 

[cooleddie74]

There are about three solid minutes of deleted footage in "The Deadly Years(TOS)" where the aging Kirk and Dr. Janet Wallace talk in the corridor outside the Briefing Room and I never saw that extended scene until I was at least old enough to view the uncut episode on VHS and possibly not until the Sci-Fi Channel Special Editions in 1998.

 

[DrMike]

^ What Tosk said. Tom clearly knows that O'Brien could actually blow his cover/twig that he isn't the "real" Will Riker, and he only needs O'Brien to f**k off for five minutes while he steals Defiant. So although he probably thought Miles could come back and say "Hang on, watcho you talking 'bout Will?", Tom only needed Miles to step away for a few moments, and throwing this at him caught him off guard. O'Brien is clearly flustered by the exchange and didn't say anything that could have 'caught' Tom out.

Alternatively... Miles was the transporter operator back on the Enterprise, and Tom Riker REALLY hates transporter operators. For obvious reasons.

Considering TOS episodes were roughly 49-50 minutes long, if you watched them on broadcast or syndication, chances are high that you missed a LOT of scenes. An hour of programming now has around 18-20 minutes of commercials, leaving about 40-42 minutes (at best) for an episode. I remember when I was a kid, the TOS episodes I saw on tv and watching them when I rented them from Blockbuster, I was floored to discover many scenes I never saw before. It was a real treat for me.

OK, you've convinced me. I've definitely only seen the more modern TV edits. If there's that much added content in every single episode, there's definitely enough reason to set about watching it in order now.

 

[Tallguy]

there's definitely enough reason to set about watching it in order now.

It's TOS. Get the seasons right and you're fine.

EDIT: To be clear, I just mean that with very few exceptions episode order doesn't matter in TOS. Watch it whatever order the streamers give it to you.

I WOULD recommend steering clear of The Cage (the first pilot) as an episode until you're done. IMHO of course.

 

[gweeps]

Anson Mount's Pike is the best Captain since Sisko. And I might even like him more than Picard.

 

[fireproof78]

I mean, did you even realize that La'an is related to...the guy who created Data?

Just kidding. I'm not nearly that poor of a Trekkie.

I did laugh though

But you're right, it's probably time for me to marathon TOS and the movies to see what I remember and what I might have missed. It's not like it's as big a time commitment as TNG, DS9 or Voyager, and I've rewatched those more than once!

It's really fun to rewatch and see how things hit you now vs. being younger.

 

[Farscape One]

Anson Mount's Pike is the best Captain since Sisko. And I might even like him more than Picard.

Agreed.

 

[Vger23]

Controversial Opinion:

Pike has been completely underwhelming in S2. I like him a lot, don't get me wrong, but he has done very little-to-nothing this season. I know there are theories that this is because Anson is a new dad and wanted to spend time being such (which I totally respect and support), but it doesn't change the product on the screen.

 

[Ovation]

If you reverse that (ID being worst, ST09 being second worst), you would be accurate.

Fight you? I'll empty a Minuteman silo cluster on you for that opinion.

All right. You’ve convinced me.









Not.

 

[fireproof78]

Controversial Opinion:

Pike has been completely underwhelming in S2. I like him a lot, don't get me wrong, but he has done very little-to-nothing this season. I know there are theories that this is because Anson is a new dad and wanted to spend time being such (which I totally respect and support), but it doesn't change the product on the screen.

I have missed some of Pike's energy from Season 1, but when he is on screen (pun kind of intended) he commands it for me. His speech, mannerisms, handling of his crew, are all leadership lessons I take to heart.

 

[gweeps]

Controversial Opinion:

Pike has been completely underwhelming in S2. I like him a lot, don't get me wrong, but he has done very little-to-nothing this season. I know there are theories that this is because Anson is a new dad and wanted to spend time being such (which I totally respect and support), but it doesn't change the product on the screen.

With the strikes, he'll get all the time in the world.

 

[Commander Troi]

Oh, the huge matinee!

I've marathoned/bought DVDs/streamed/watched original airings/pirated (oops) and/or gone about consuming all of the TV shows and movies from TNG onward in an organized fashion, but have only watched TOS and the TOS-era movies when they happened to be aired on TV or on an airplane.

It's just that they were aired so frequently on the Space channel when I was a bored teenager that I never felt the need to watch them in order, or make sure I hadn't missed any details.

For all I know, there are entire movie scenes cut for TV edits that I've never seen, or an episode of TOS that somehow missed me.

Should I raise shields and prepare to be boarded?

Nah, that can be fixed.

They could put an extended moratorium on Khan Singh, Soongs, augments and all that stuff and I think Trek as a whole would benefit hugely from it.

Borg, Klingons, time travel, and holodeck malfunctions are on that list for me as well.

Definitely add Borg.

It's TOS. Get the seasons right and you're fine.

EDIT: To be clear, I just mean that with very few exceptions episode order doesn't matter in TOS. Watch it whatever order the streamers give it to you.

I WOULD recommend steering clear of The Cage (the first pilot) as an episode until you're done. IMHO of course.

It's been interesting watching in production order, but certainly not necessary. You see enough of The Cage in The Menagerie, so you can just do that.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Should I raise shields and prepare to be boarded?

Welcome to the board.

Try harder. Like this:

Controversial Opinion: While Nimoy's Spock is a masterpiece in terms of portrayal, in terms of writing, TOS Spock is the most one-dimensional of the 3 (main) Spock's we have had through trek history. Both Kelvin Spock and SNW Spock are more interesting in terms of writing and have far more depth.

Now, fight! Everyone, fight! FIGHT!

 

[Farscape One]

Welcome to the board.

Try harder. Like this:

Controversial Opinion: While Nimoy's Spock is a masterpiece in terms of portrayal, in terms of writing, TOS Spock is the most one-dimensional of the 3 (main) Spock's we have had through trek history. Both Kelvin Spock and SNW Spock are more interesting in terms of writing and have far more depth.

Now, fight! Everyone, fight! FIGHT!

Oooooh... not that is controversial, particularly since D.C. Fontana was a big developer of Spock.

Speaking for myself, Kelvin Spock is by far the most one-dimensional.

SNW Spock... I would say is the middle one, since the foundation for Spock was already established decades ago. It is both building from and leading up to TOS Spock at the same time.

Nimoy's Spock is the gold standard for both his portrayal and how he was written, particularly since a lot of Nimoy's nuance and influence informed the writers.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Oooooh... not that is controversial, particularly since D.C. Fontana was a big developer of Spock.

Speaking for myself, Kelvin Spock is by far the most one-dimensional.

SNW Spock... I would say is the middle one, since the foundation for Spock was already established decades ago. It is both building from and leading up to TOS Spock at tje same time.

Nimoy's Spock is the gold standard for both his portrayal and how he was written, particularly since a lot of Nimoy's nuance and influence informed the writers.

I don’t necessarily agree with the opinions I post in this thread. I think it’s just quite interesting to drop in a thesis statement like that and let people go at it.

More an ‘instructional’ post to let @DrMike feel at ease in posting in this case. ‘I like Dax’ is mild by comparison. ;-)

I’d actually find it difficult to rank the Spocks. All good for different reasons.

 

[Farscape One]

I don’t necessarily agree with the opinions I post in this thread. I think it’s just quite interesting to drop in a thesis statement like that and let people go at it.

More an ‘instructional’ post to let @DrMike feel at ease in posting in this case. ‘I like Dax’ is mild by comparison. ;-)

I’d actually find it difficult to rank the Spocks. All good for different reasons.

Ah, instructional. Cool.

I suppose my response could be considered an addendum instructional?

 

[fireproof78]

Ah, instructional. Cool.

I suppose my response could be considered an addendum instructional?

Teacher's pet.

 

[Farscape One]

Teacher's pet.

Woof.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Woof.

Wrong!

Meow!