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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

It appears likely that Skyler Gisondo may be Superman: Legacy's Jimmy Olsen. He was already rumored for the part, and now both James Gunn and David Corenswet are following him.

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the Salkind's films were a product of the 70's, where even the Incredible Hulk was relatively a simple formula.

Films of the 1970s were as complex with characterization as you could get, and among the best in the medium's history, but the Salkinds consciously produced a film where the lead was largely a cutout who happened to be dropped in familiar, real world farm and city settings. You mentioned The Incredible Hulk. I will say that series' pilot is still head and shoulders above most superhero films to follow in terms of believably blending fantasy with mature themes which carried weight.



(And really could have embraced Henry Cavill, if he had better writing).

Cavill was embraced, with fans being more than excited when it was announced he was coming back to the part (one of the biggest draws for Black Adam), until the rug was pulled out from under him. They were exited based on how he was handled up to that point.

No argument there. It's not a thing worth vilifying Jonathan for, though, because his number one priority is, as absolutely should be the case, Clark's personal safety.

Some will never see Clark as Jonathan did: his son who is a minority that would face being persecuted or killed if his true identity was exposed to humans. Nope, its jumping out of the crib as a marching hero with no realistic repercussions.

The idea of a loving father doing what one expects from a father in that sensitive situation will forever soar over the heads of certain people.
 
But at the cost of people's lives???

Yes.

Most parents will tell their children to prioritize their own safety even if securing that safety potentially puts other people's lives in jeopardy.

Doing so does not make those parents unheroic or morally questionable; it makes them loving parents for whom their children are the number one concern.
 
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It appears likely that Skyler Gisondo may be Superman: Legacy's Jimmy Olsen. He was already rumored for the part, and now both James Gunn and David Corenswet are following him.

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I liked him in Booksmart and Liquorice Pizza (though I was so-so about the latter as a film) and he certainly looks the part.
 
But at the cost of people's lives??? It's not like JOnathan knew about the Codex, which would make Clark extra valuable (i.e. worth more than a few lives).... which was a dumb addition by Snyder... it is making that be the reason Clark is special, and not his character (i.e. values).

I've never viewed the codex as being even remotely relevant to the reason why Clark is special. It's just the reason why the bad guys are after him.
 
Films of the 1970s were as complex with characterization as you could get, and among the best in the medium's history, but the Salkinds consciously produced a film where the lead was largely a cutout who happened to be dropped in familiar, real world farm and city settings. You mentioned The Incredible Hulk. I will say that series' pilot is still head and shoulders above most superhero films to follow in terms of believably blending fantasy with mature themes which carried weight.

Aside from "Superman: The Movie", what other comic book movies appeared in the 1970s?
 
Shouldn't there be like a cap on thread pages?
we only end threads if they have been dormant for like 1 or 2 years (which i think is silly, since people might have fresh insight years later). That's when we have to start new ones. If there is continued material (like the MCU) it stays up.

We're going to be getting ready for James Gunn's DC universe era. It would stand to reason a new thread for a new era would be in order.

I might try to start one for the DC Omni Universe in a day or two. (Hopefully no one beats me to it...again)

But it's funny how we recycle arguments .on long running threads than has ever happened on resurrected threads (which are usually the result of new people with fresh insight)
Films of the 1970s were as complex with characterization as you could get, and among the best in the medium's history, but the Salkinds consciously produced a film where the lead was largely a cutout who happened to be dropped in familiar, real world farm and city settings. You mentioned The Incredible Hulk. I will say that series' pilot is still head and shoulders above most superhero films to follow in terms of believably blending fantasy with mature themes which carried weight.
The pilot was good...but the series became ... Davis is in new life. David learns of someone in trouble, has issue which causes him to turn. Now David needs to leave. Rinse and repeat.

But still a good show, with lots of good qualities. There are reasons why people remmeber it far more than most shows
Cavill was embraced, with fans being more than excited when it was announced he was coming back to the part (one of the biggest draws for Black Adam), until the rug was pulled out from under him. They were exited based on how he was handled up to that point.
A lot of us with issues with the DC Film Universe thought Cavill was a great actor choice for the role. The problem is...the writing and directing did not serve Cavill. And unfortunately, Zaslav could only see Cavill a the face of financial failure (i.e. not reaching a billion dollars like Aquaman). I think many Snyder critics still liked Cavill and would have been fine with him portraying him in the future.
Some will never see Clark as Jonathan did: his son who is a minority that would face being persecuted or killed if his true identity was exposed to humans. Nope, its jumping out of the crib as a marching hero with no realistic repercussions.

The idea of a loving father doing what one expects from a father in that sensitive situation will forever soar over the heads of certain people.
Are you a dad?

I am... i want my children to look beyond themselves and not be selfish.... y'know, an aspect of a hero,
Yes.

Most parents will tell their children to prioritize their own safety even if securing that safety potentially puts other people's lives in jeopardy.

Doing so does not make those parents unheroic or morally questionable; it makes them loving parents for whom their children are the number one concern.
But hige diference between "normal" people and a particular Kryptonian.

yeah, i don't want my kids jumping in to save a person from drowning if they haven't been trained to swim, let alone know how to rescue someone (as a lifeguard would). They would be in danger of death.

But what WOULD be in their power would be calling 911. Or throwing a rope or lie preserver if they saw it. Otherwise, they would be passively participating in a death that didn't need to happen.

Superman didn't have that problem. I mean, maybe Jonathan didn't forsee how easily Clark could escape the Army (if he chose).. But Clark wasn't in any danger where he would die (how did they discover Kryptonite in the DCFU again?)


I've never viewed the codex as being even remotely relevant to the reason why Clark is special. It's just the reason why the bad guys are after him.
It was the poor writing and directing that made it confusing. I believe it was the codex that signalled Darkseid for some reason to go have Earth attacked by Steppenwolf.

The time between MOS and Batman v. Superman was so vague that i never got the feel that Superman had much of a career for people to care about him the way the ending portrayed it. TO be honest, i can't pinpoint why the 70's movies felt like Superman more realisitically" seemed to gain experience and popularlity among that fictional world's population more believably to me than between MoS and BvS.
 
Aside from "Superman: The Movie", what other comic book movies appeared in the 1970s?

I was referring to 1970s films in general, not just superhero movies as a reply to Morpheus 02's "the Salkind's films were a product of the 70's,"

The only other true superhero movies were not theatrical releases, but a handful of pilot movies on TV, such as the aforementioned Incredible Hulk.
 
The Incredible Hulk TV series was effectively a full on remake/reskin of The Fugitive (1963 -67).

Kenneth Johnson preferred to say he based it more on Les Miserables, but yeah, it was pretty much in the format of which The Fugitive was the most famous example, though hardly the first or only one.
 
As someone who absolutely hated Snyder's take on Superman and Batman, as well as his general aesthetic, I would have been interested to see Cavill offer a more traditional version of Superman. But recasting is probably for the best at this point.
 
As someone who absolutely hated Snyder's take on Superman and Batman, as well as his general aesthetic, I would have been interested to see Cavill offer a more traditional version of Superman. But recasting is probably for the best at this point.
Is there ANYONE other than David Zaslav that really had a problem with Henry Cavill cast as Superman???
 
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