But why would they undo the Romulan supernova? The only reason I can think of would be to satisfy fans who dislike it by erasing it from existence, and that's something Paramount are unlikely to ever do.
Timeline proof.
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Discovery could be multiverse too. This could be the opportunity to ‘soft reboot’ Star Trek so that it can be united as a franchise and continue on in to the 25th century without the heavy baggage of the most recent Star Trek series and movies.
I have said this here before, Ethan Peck Spock can rescue his sister in the Discovery finale and reset the Discoverse, not *totally* erasing or wiping it.
I'm not a Disco fan and haven't been watching, but for the sake of that cast, I hope the finale doesn't pull another "These are the Voyages" and derail that cast with guest appearances from a better / more popular show. If Spock and the SNW crew 'save the day' or 'reset the verse' in the Disco finale, that's every bit as bad as the Enterprise finale being a Riker holodeck program.
"Parallels" has the answer, like I said. Some episodes -- or even some scenes -- take place in a wacky timeline before going back to the main ones.
Some version of these episodes and movies happen across multiple realities, some virtually the same, others with minor differences, others with more serious ones.
That's what I go with if I can't blame it on the Temporal War.
Braxton: "I gave up keeping my tenses straight a long time ago."
Maybe, maybe not. We are seeing more and more overtures to satisfy disgruntled fans.
I'm not really seeing it. Of all the complaints I've seen levelled at Picard, keeping Romulus destroyed was pretty low on the list. "Turn on the lights!", "They drop F-bombs!", and "They killed Icheb!!!!!!!" seem to be the highest on the list. It's logarithmic: The less significant, the bigger of a deal they make out of it.
WIth the current crowd of disgruntled fans, they'll turn it around and say, "They brought back Romulus because of nostalgia!"
Basically, my view is this: For two decades, all we heard was, "No more prequels! We want to go past Nemesis!" Then, when it came to the test, they loved Strange New Worlds and didn't like Picard. After that, I'll never take fan complaints seriously ever again. I'll take whatever they say with a grain of salt. So should the writers.
[EDITED TO ADD: Oh, yeah, we also heard for even longer, "We want serialized! DS9 was serialized! Serialized is the best!" Only to have them do a 180 and be like, "No! We don't want serialized! Never to serialized again! We want episodic!" Oh, my fucking God. Make up your minds! They're sending me constant mixed signals with this 180 shit.]
The only two things keeping me from putting Picard above Discovery, IMO: are 1) the second season of PIC wasn't as good as the others, and 2) Unlike DSC, PIC was building off of 21 seasons and 4 movies of 24th Century Star Trek (plus backstory from the 2009 Film). DSC had to work harder than PIC, where everything was already there.
My brother's still on me about "Have you seen the new episode of SNW yet? Have you seen it?! Have you seen it?!?!!" I keep wanting to tell him, "No. I have other things to do. I'll get to it when I'm in the mood. Thanks!" But I just say, "Nope. I haven't seen it yet! I'll let you know when I do!"
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This may have been the only option though due to the unexpected nature of the series ending combined with the WGA and actors industrial action, meaning limited time and possibly an unexpected *extra* budget for a finalé which was not planned for: Discovery *did* pay for a lot of the Strange New World sets, so it would only be fair if SNW let Disco use some of that shows sets and actors again. The whole SNW cast would not need to be involved, perhaps just Spock and Una, who have already been on Disco. Spock may be keeping the mission to contact and attempt to rescue his sister secret from Pike, you see.
They would also not need to make a big deal of Discovery’s home coming, they could make this event a bit like Voyagers return to Earth at the end of the Voyager finalé, Endgame. Discovery would, however, be bringing back *more* future tech like Voyager did too…. So they may need to abandon their ship and leave that in the 32nd century.
Alternatively, they could make the Disco finale half animated with Boimler and Mariner involved in someway with yet more time travel shenanigans (I have not seen the SNW/LD crossover episode yet though). Making the Disco finalé half animated with Lower Decks cast involved would definitely help save on budget. I also do not think that animation teams and voice actors are affected by the current strikes in the same way.
In fact, the Discovery crew, having abandoned the USS Discovery, could make their way through the Guardian of Forever… ushered through by JJ-Verse Spock Zachary Quinto instead of Ethan Peck. This could all lead in to the next Star Trek movie with the plot being based around preventing the destruction of Romulus. I mean, if Fast and the Furious can do it, so can Star Trek. Ethan Peck Spock and Zachary Quinto Spock could even team up… like in the Spiderverse! 
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Not necessary, as a Temporal alteration was revealed wayyyyyyy back in SNW S2, E3, defining everything we've witnessed since the beginning of DSC through to SNW S2, E9.
The Gorn are the play things of the Metron’s, used as part of the ‘Metron test’ when this high level species attempts to judge other minor species as being worthy of their equivalent of ‘first contact’ through ‘trial by combat’, thus potentially leading to cultural and advanced technological exchanges and partnerships with intellectually inferior beings if shown worthy through their actions during the trial, though the Gorn themselves *never* pass the Metron test which is why they are used for the purpose of judging other species through this trial. Pike has already failed the Metron test once, he may even fail the test again in season 2 episode 10 on a much larger scale. Kirk also failed the Metron ‘trial by combat’ test in Arena during hand to hand confrontation, though he displayed promise in humanity when he showed mercy and did not kill the Gorn.
Seven of Nine would *not* fail the Metron test in the new 25th century prime timeline continuation of Star Trek, she will probably help initiate diplomatic relations and peaceful cooperation with the Metrons…. after her ‘trial by wedding’, of course…
Seven of Nine would *not* fail the Metron test in the new 25th century prime timeline continuation of Star Trek, she will probably help initiate diplomatic relations and peaceful cooperation with the Metrons…. after her ‘trial by wedding’, of course…
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After thinking about this, and not being able to fall asleep, I've now come to the conclusion that there are four main timelines.
Classic Timeline: TOS through FC
Then the Borg go back in time to 2063, which creates the...
Pheonix Timeline: ENT in the "past", FC through PIC in the "present" (from a 2401 point of view)
Centuries later, the Temporal Cold War happens, followed by all-out actual Temporal War; which creates the...
Disco Timeline: DSC S1-S2 and SNW in the "past", DSC S3-S5 in the "present" (from a 3188+ point of view)
In Pheonix 2387, Nero goes back in time and creates Kelvin 2233, which leads to the...
Kelvin Timeline: The three JJ Abrams Movies
By the 32nd Century, the Kelvin Timeline and the Disco Timeline are pretty far apart from each other.
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So, what goes where?
Classic: TOS, TAS, TMP-TUC ... (time skip) ... TNG, DS9 S1-S5, VOY S1-S3, GEN-FC
Pheonix: ENT ... (time skip) ... FC-NEM, DS9 S5-S7, VOY S3-S7, LD, PRO, PIC
Disco: DSC S1-S2, SNW ... (time skip) ... DSC S3+
Kelvin: Self-Explanatory
That killed some time. How the Hell am I still not tired?
Anyway, like I said before, it's become like how they do it in comics. I could've made TOS and TAS a fifth timeline, but I can't think of a time-travel incident that would cause such a split, so I didn't.
Probably a good time to mention I'm also a huge fan of Back to the Future. I love all of them, but Part II is my favorite. Bet you never would've guessed.
For me, unlike others, this is all still fun. It's like a mind game. I don't let it take over my enjoyment of what I'm watching. So please take this all in the spirit it's intended in. Thanks!
Interesting theory. If you could just work the Voyager two-parter "Future's End" in there.
Just replace Henry Starling with Elon Musk and problem solved. This is *our* current timeline… apparently this also explains why the JJ-verse Enterprise is so much more advanced and larger in size than the prime Enterprise； Musk invented warp drive before Cochrane in the Kelvin universe, allegedly
Oh, I have a question… would the destruction of Romulus still occur in the future of the JJ-verse timeline via the destruction of its sun resulting from the Hobus supernova? Is this event an inevitable and naturally occurring fixed point in time common to all timelines that cannot be prevented in any reality? Surely JJ-verse inhabitants now know that this event is foretold, if it was indeed a naturally occurring galactic event which spans multiverses, meaning that at least the mass deaths can be averted if not the destruction of the sun itself? More sinisterly… is the conclusion that this occurrence was actually the result of a temporal incursion limited to the prime timeline by a faction in the Temporal Cold War? This still does not excuse the destruction of Vulcan in the JJ verse, especially by someone who was not native to that reality.
Perhaps the next Fast and the Furious film can resolve all this, seeing as Star Trek cannot.
Perhaps the next Fast and the Furious film can resolve all this, seeing as Star Trek cannot.
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A slightly wrong stardate isn't proof of anything.
I realize you're being tongue-in-cheek, but those are called 'changed premises.' Like in M*A*S*H when Hawkeye starts out having both parents alive and then later having his mother be deceased when he was a boy. There's no 'alternate universe' going on there, just like there's no alternate universe where Kirk's middle initial is "R." It was just a retcon because either the writers forgot that his mom was supposed to still be alive, or they just didn't care because it conflicted with the story they wanted to tell.
No, an alternate universe would be where they show the 4077th during the Korean War but the hospital looks like it was constructed in 2023.
I group the 26th through 31st Centuries as "All the crazy Temporal stuff!" So Braxton would fall underneath that umbrella. During that period, Star Trek would probably be more like Time Trek.
I figure once they were able to explore all four quadrants, but still didn't have the means to travel to another galaxy, they hit a barrier (figuratively and literally), exploration through space plateaued, and they switched to exploration through time.
I heard the '70s were a drag, so it kind of makes sense.And there were eight Christmases in a 3 1/2 year period from 1976-79 in That '70's Show. Alternate timeline!
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This question is absurd on its face. It's all imaginary. There can be no "proof" because none of it is real.
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