DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

[JD]

I'm definitely curious about where they're gonna go with this possible new Wonder Woman movie. In the article I read she did call it Wonder Woman 3, but I've seen people refer to a reboot movie as the next number in the series, even though it's not in the same continuity, so that doesn't necessarily mean it'll actually be in the same continuity.
We've had actors play different versions of the same character, just look at The Arrowverse Flash and all actors who came back from the '90 show but played new versions of their characters. And Matt Ryan played John Constantine in two different continuities, the Arrowverse and the DC Animated Movie Universe.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Wonder Girl?

I would be interested in seeing a standalone Wonder Girl film. The character had some interesting storylines of her own over the decades that did not always callback to or involve Diana.

 

[Rich Watson]

Is it worth pointing out that the original story begin referred to does not actually confirm a Wonder Woman movie is happening?

 

[JD]

I would be interested in seeing a standalone Wonder Girl film. The character had some interesting storylines of her own over the decades that did not always callback to or involve Diana.

Yara Flor has only been around for two years, not decades, unless you'd expect them to transfer some of Donna or Cassie's stories over to Yara.

 

[kirk55555]

To me, keeping Gadot while dropping Cavil makes sense. The first Wonder Woman movie was well received and people generally like the character, even despite what WW84 did. You can take that version of Wonder Woman and fit her into a more DC Comics style (aka not grimdark and grayscale) universe fairly easily, and you get to keep the built up fan support for that version of the character.

Superman on the other hand needs a full reset from the ground up, both the character, his supporting cast and all the stuff connected to him. The DCEU Superman is synonymous with the Snyder style and more specifically the most generally disliked stuff in the DCEU all seems to revolve around Cavill's Superman. From "Martha" to the neck snap to the "Should I have let the kids drown?" to Batman v Superman in general and more besides, it all heavily involved Cavil's Superman and its not really a repairable thing, at least in my opinion.

Same with Batman, and The Flash, etc. Like any DC Crisis in the comics, you keep some stuff that works into the new universe but drop the stuff that hasn't been working. Well, that's what DC Crisis events try to do at least, to various levels of success, but I trust James Gunn to know what he thinks he can work with and what needs to be thrown away to start anew.

 

[Set Harth]

the "Should I have let the kids drown?"

the what now?

 

[kirk55555]

the what now?

The infamous scene in Man of Steel where young Clark asks Pa Kent if he should have let the kids in the bus drown, and Pa Kent (being a psychopathic asshole) says "maybe". Its not Superman being wrong obviously, but its a scene very much associated with the DCEU version of the character. That scene, Pa Kent's death scene and the Zod murder are definitely the most well remembered scenes from that movie in pop culture at this point, which is a big reason that Superman needs a reset in the movies.

 

[Set Harth]

Maybe Pa Kent's the one who needs a reset.

 

[kirk55555]

Maybe Pa Kent's the one who needs a reset.

No, because its all connected. Plus Pa Kent had nothing to do with Zod's murder, or Batman vs Superman, or 90% of the bad things that are generally associated with Cavill's Superman.

I think that Henry Cavill could have been a decent Superman if he was allowed to actually play Superman and not a grim, colorless, humorless killer. But whenever his Superman gets thought of, pretty much everyone is going to think of muted colors, destruction, "Martha", etc. The well is thoroughly poisoned with his Superman, it would make no sense to keep him around when few outside of the Snyder cultists even want him in the first place, and that particular group of online troublemakers have pretty much proven that they're loud but completely irrelevant.

 

[Mage]

The infamous scene in Man of Steel where young Clark asks Pa Kent if he should have let the kids in the bus drown, and Pa Kent (being a psychopathic asshole) says "maybe". Its not Superman being wrong obviously, but its a scene very much associated with the DCEU version of the character. That scene, Pa Kent's death scene and the Zod murder are definitely the most well remembered scenes from that movie in pop culture at this point, which is a big reason that Superman needs a reset in the movies.

Being a psychotic asshole......???
Dude's aware that if people discover where his son is from and what he can do his son's life as a child and teenager is over. He is trying to protect his child. We can debate whether or not his choices were the right ones. Sure. But psychotic.... If you have no knowledge on matters concercing psychology, please don't make comments like this that make no sense.

 

[kirk55555]

Being a psychotic asshole......???
Dude's aware that if people discover where his son is from and what he can do his son's life as a child and teenager is over. He is trying to protect his child. We can debate whether or not his choices were the right ones. Sure. But psychotic.... If you have no knowledge on matters concercing psychology, please don't make comments like this that make no sense.

I'll use terms like "psychopath" when I feel like it, this is a discussion forum not a scientific paper. A man being so selfish and lacking in basic humanity that he'd entertain, even for a second, letting a literal bus full of children die is a psychopath. I'm sick of Snyder fans trying to justify his bullshit, Pa Kent isn't being a "concerned parent", he's an asshole and the bus full of drowning children thing drives him over the edge into being a nutjob. The Kents are supposed to be the reason Superman grew up to be Superman, not a pair of assholes who constantly tell him to be selfish and not help people (which is 100% Snyder's Ayn Rand worship coming through, she was all about hating altruism).

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I posted this over in the SAG-AFTRA strike thread and I thought it would be relevant here.

'Deadline Hollywood', 'The Hollywood Reporter' and 'Variety' are all reporting that during a meeting/conference call yesterday with shareholders Warner Brothers-Discovery CEO David Zaslav says that last quarter the company saved $100 million dollars by not having to pay its writers and have its actors promoting upcoming films.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I posted this over in the SAG-AFTRA strike thread and I thought it would be relevant here.

'Deadline Hollywood', 'The Hollywood Reporter' and 'Variety' are all reporting that during a meeting/conference call yesterday with shareholders Warner Brothers-Discovery CEO David Zaslav says that last quarter the company saved $100 million dollars by not having to pay its writers and have its actors promoting upcoming films.

Pennywise, pound-foolish. And that’s the nicest thing I can say about him.

 

[Mage]

I'll use terms like "psychopath" when I feel like it, this is a discussion forum not a scientific paper. A man being so selfish and lacking in basic humanity that he'd entertain, even for a second, letting a literal bus full of children die is a psychopath. I'm sick of Snyder fans trying to justify his bullshit, Pa Kent isn't being a "concerned parent", he's an asshole and the bus full of drowning children thing drives him over the edge into being a nutjob. The Kents are supposed to be the reason Superman grew up to be Superman, not a pair of assholes who constantly tell him to be selfish and not help people (which is 100% Snyder's Ayn Rand worship coming through, she was all about hating altruism).

So you're willing to use a term in the wrong way to prove a point..... Meaning it nullifies your point....?

Ok. Have a fun day. I've got better things to do.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Some people will cross all moral boundaries to protect their loved ones. I get it, and don't consider Jonathan Kent in MoS to be a psycho. Just a man terrified to lose his family. They're his everything.

 

[Christopher]

Being a psychotic asshole......???

He said "psychopathic," not "psychotic." The two are extremely different conditions.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yara Flor has only been around for two years, not decades, unless you'd expect them to transfer some of Donna or Cassie's stories over to Yara.

I'm talking about Donna.

Being a psychotic asshole......???
Dude's aware that if people discover where his son is from and what he can do his son's life as a child and teenager is over. He is trying to protect his child.

Well put.

Rational minds understand that Clark was essentially a quasi-analogue for a racial minority, with his father warning said minority against a world that will fear, hate and attempt to harm (read: kill) him for his identity. That is the kind of warning real human beings--real parents give to children at risk for those dangers, rather than a parent--from the jump--speaking like a 1980's "Be All You Can Be" spot for the U.S. Army. That kind of simplistic adaptation of the superhero is thankfully long dead, while Cavill's Superman was the closest the character ever moved toward being believable dealing with realistic human behavior.

But psychotic.... If you have no knowledge on matters concercing psychology, please don't make comments like this that make no sense.

Agreed, but this is what you get when some are hyper-defensive with a need to push the idea that some childhood notion holds weight with today's audiences.

So you're willing to use a term in the wrong way to prove a point..... Meaning it nullifies your point....?

Snyder hatred often leads to self-defeating arguments, among other things.

Ok. Have a fun day. I've got better things to do.

Ditto.

 

[Mage]

He said "psychopathic," not "psychotic." The two are extremely different conditions.

I typed to fast, was making dinner while responding.

 

[JD]

I'll use terms like "psychopath" when I feel like it, this is a discussion forum not a scientific paper.

Terms like that have a very specific meaning, and even when talking about fictional characters, it really is a bad idea to just randomly throw them around without really knowing what they mean, and looking into the character really fits the criteria. It may seem harmless with a fictional character, but it's a small step to go from misuing those kinds of terms with fictional characters to doing it with real people, and that's when things can get to truly dangerous.
As for the DCEU Johnatan Kent, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his attitude towards Clark's powers in general, I just don't think it's the kind of attitude that the character should have. Through pretty much the entire history of the character he's always been Clark's biggest supporter and the one the people who encouraged Clark, so to see a version of the character go so completely against that feels wrong.

 

[kirk55555]

Terms like that have a very specific meaning, and even when talking about fictional characters, it really is a bad idea to just randomly throw them around without really knowing what they mean, and looking into the character really fits the criteria. It may seem harmless with a fictional character, but it's a small step to go from misuing those kinds of terms with fictional characters to doing it with real people, and that's when things can get to truly dangerous.
As for the DCEU Johnatan Kent, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his attitude towards Clark's powers in general, I just don't think it's the kind of attitude that the character should have. Through pretty much the entire history of the character he's always been Clark's biggest supporter and the one the people who encouraged Clark, so to see a version of the character go so completely against that feels wrong.

With the caveat that I still don't really care, having a quick glance online

Psychopathy is a mental health condition characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits.

DCEU Pa Kent definitely has impaired empathy/remorse, and I'd bet his death (basically a suicide) could be linked to disinhibited and/or egotistical traits.

Obviously this was not meant to be a thing by the people who made the movie, its just the result of a director who is obsessed with Ayn Rand's philosophy and general shitty grimdark writing. But I'd argue that anyone with the attitudes that Pa Kent has in the DCEU is a nutjob. Maybe not to the level of a Joker or Two-Face, but any answer to the question "Should I have let kids drown" that isn't a resounding "Of Course Not" comes from someone who is not right in the head, whether its literal psychopathy or not.

Anyway, I called Pa Kent a psychopath as basically a short hand for "evil self absorbed piece of shit", anyone who took what I said to mean I was giving the character some literal psychological diagnosis needs to pay more attention to context in a post/conversation and be less literal.