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Even TOS did that too. So, yes, while I think there are legitimate complaints, i.e. not connecting, the one episode problem isn't one I find very persuasive.
With "Project Daedalus" it also shows Burnham facing that she can't save everyone. I feel like she should've realized this long before that point, but it was nice to see her having to face that anyway. And they do address this flaw later on in the series, when Vance and Rillak question whether or not Burnham has what it takes to hunt down Book, and assigned Nhan to make sure she does. I think if Starfleet was in better shape, they wouldn't have promoted Burnham to Captain so quickly. They promoted her because they needed her, not necessarily because she was the Perfect Model Captain. I think it emphasizes the less-than-ideal situation Starfleet is in. It's reinforced when Rillak says she doesn't think Burnham's ready to take command of the Voyager-J.
EDITED TO ADD: I think Burnham was moved up the ranks too quickly because Captain Georgiou saw things in her she wanted to see. And, with Burnham having been raised on Vulcan, it probably didn't even occur to Georgiou how Burnham would have to wrestle with certain situations: what happened in the pilot of the series is an obvious one, but what happened with Airiam is another.
EDITED TO ADD: I think Burnham was moved up the ranks too quickly because Captain Georgiou saw things in her she wanted to see. And, with Burnham having been raised on Vulcan, it probably didn't even occur to Georgiou how Burnham would have to wrestle with certain situations: what happened in the pilot of the series is an obvious one, but what happened with Airiam is another.
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She lived her parents: Human Father, Klingon Mother. She preferred her Human half. Her father leaves them, and then she's raised only by her Klingon mother. Torres' mother seemed very Klingon in flashbacks and hallucinations we saw. Except B'Elanna Torres hated her Klingon half, even though she had a Klingon temper. So she wants to seem Human, including wearing a headband to cover her forehead, but everyone sees her as a Klingon.
Whereas with Spock, he was raised Vulcan and everyone saw him as Vulcan. The Human half was always there, but it was always bubbling underneath and only peaking out sometimes.
With Torres, the two halves are always at war, same as Spock, but -- unlike with Spock -- it's always on the surface for everyone to see.
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My understanding is that she was allergic to the prosthetic makeup, the appliances are probably latex based, so probably not terribly surprising.
"Closer" doesn't mean a lot - it's too vague. And yes, there are parts of TOS in each later series. What we can do is use TOS as a point for comparison and discussion. For example, TNG did have the exploration aspect. However, people often compare Data to Spock, whereas I would say Data is the opposite of Spock because Data longs to be human. And so on.
I'm going to start a thread about this soon, looking at each episode of TOS and which ones could've or would've been on the other series. Not including TAS, because that feels like cheating.
Being bland is not always a bad thing. I see Saru as a "straight-arrow" character that's reassuring in his transparency. He's a good person with no hidden motives or dark hidden depths.
Here's a question: How is any of what you mention fundamentally different than the character motivations in the first 2 seasons of Picard? Whether it be Picard's actions since we last saw him, or Seven of Nine going off to the Romulan border, or Rios, who himself suffered a bad spot in his life where he decided to abandon a life with Starfleet and jump in his own ship being a privateer, having hit a place where they decided that being within the sphere of the Federation and Starfleet was no longer for them? At least for a while.
Beyond that...
The last we had seen Beverly before Picard season 3 was Nemesis, where Picard was the target of a Romulan plot that ended with Troi mind raped and Data dead. So there was some reason to believe being in Picard's life might be somewhat dangerous.
I thought that was one of the best episodes of season 2. In that little bit of time we spent with Airiam, I thought they conveyed the tragedy of Airiam's life.
One of my biggest issues with Discovery is that they haven't used the time and opportunity they've had to develop the cast of characters they had. Similar to how TNG built up the characters around Picard to the point Mile O'Brien had some depth, or DS9 had Garak, Rom, and Nog become characters like Detmer and Owo and Airiam could have been fleshed out. But, instead, its largely been the Michael Burnham hour instead.
I've yet to hear "bland" describing a character as a positive thing. So, you'll forgive my confusion at this assertion that this is somehow a good thing.
"I like Saru. He's just so bland."
As defined by Merriam-Webster:I've yet to hear "bland" describing a character as a positive thing. So, you'll forgive my confusion at this assertion that this is somehow a good thing.
"I like Saru. He's just so bland."
bland, adjective
1a: smooth and soothing in manner or quality
1b: exhibiting no personal concern or embarrassment : UNPERTURBED
Data is "bland" in some ways. Doesn't make him a bad character.
I would never call Saru "bland" but it is possible to find something colorless and bland but still love it. Plain rice cakes. I've loved them since childhood. And they have almost no substance.
So no, Saru definitely doesn't fall into the "bland" categorization.
So no, Saru definitely doesn't fall into the "bland" categorization.
Curious. How many people use bland in such a fashion?
One.
How is it in any way the same?
I honestly don't even know what your description of Rios even has to do with this entire conversation at all. Picard and Seven being disappointed by Starfleet and taking different, sadder lives may not have been what everyone wanted to see but there was nothing inexplicable about it. Picard just didn't know what to do with himself without Starfleet and Seven just found a different way to make a difference.
Neither one of them cut off all contact with everyone they ever knew out of baseless paranoia. Nor did they build their entire new lives around doing the exact thing they were supposedly afraid of. And those stories didn't trip all over themselves with blatant contradictions like 'No Starfleet!' followed by 'Ok, we'll just bring the entire USS Titan.'
As for Nemesis: if you count up every single story in which Picard was personally the target, rather than Starfleet, the Federation, the Enterprise, etc, that's still 1-5% at most of the danger faced by the Enterprise and its crew. And even in the vast majority of that 1-5%, including Nemesis, Picard himself was only a target *because* of his position in Starfleet. Shinzon would never have existed if the Romulans hadn't thought Picard was a good means to an end for attacking the Federation as a whole. Just like Daimon Bok would never have wanted vengeance if his son hadn't attacked the Stargazer unprovoked in the first place. Just like Picard would never have met Q if he wasn't fulfilling his Starfleet duties to explore and expand the Federation's sphere of knowledge. Just like the entire concept of Locutus' existence only mattered as a means of helping achieve the end of assimilating the entire Federation. If Jean-Luc Picard had died in infancy, all those stories would just transfer to some other person because they were all ultimately aimed at the Federation, not just Picard.
As for Nemesis: if you count up every single story in which Picard was personally the target, rather than Starfleet, the Federation, the Enterprise, etc, that's still 1-5% at most of the danger faced by the Enterprise and its crew. And even in the vast majority of that 1-5%, including Nemesis, Picard himself was only a target *because* of his position in Starfleet. Shinzon would never have existed if the Romulans hadn't thought Picard was a good means to an end for attacking the Federation as a whole. Just like Daimon Bok would never have wanted vengeance if his son hadn't attacked the Stargazer unprovoked in the first place. Just like Picard would never have met Q if he wasn't fulfilling his Starfleet duties to explore and expand the Federation's sphere of knowledge. Just like the entire concept of Locutus' existence only mattered as a means of helping achieve the end of assimilating the entire Federation. If Jean-Luc Picard had died in infancy, all those stories would just transfer to some other person because they were all ultimately aimed at the Federation, not just Picard.
This was around the time of Enterprise.
No more than the rest of the middle decks cast in the first two seasons. No need to single her out.
She probably would have done a bit more in S3 (helping her fellow middle deckers in the Osyraaa arc) and S4 (where the middle deckers were allowed to contribute more) if she stayed on the show.
In addition, she was one of the few characters that indicates how Starfleet deals with debilitating injuries pre-TOS. There needs to be more like her in SNW. I’m sure they could write an Airiam-like character a lot more interestingly.
Yet you say right there...
I don't see the misinformation.
They did it all of the time with the guest crewman of the week on TOS.
I felt for him, too.
Nobody on the Star Trek team was contacted.
It was never “planned”. Planned implies a plan was made. It wasn't.
Anyway, have a nice day. I am loving the new avatar.
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I’m not sure how you think people plan things before coming up with a solid, concrete plan. But in the real world, it usually involves discussion.
They were planning a crossover, even if it was rather informal.
I know you have zero respect for me, but stop with the lies already.
You should. It means I get to go away from TrekBBS and I'm not longer active here.
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