Sven, I don't think he's right.
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Boy, that wasn't the case with me. She was basically just an interesting looking extra up until the episode where they killed her off. So suddenly jamming in character development in a single episode so we'd be affected when she died didn't work for me at all.
I recently rewatched S2 of DSC, and I still don't think that episode works very well. They should've peppered in that character development gradually over the course of the season, so her death would've been more of a shock.
Controversial Opinion:
Airiam was a piece of bridge furniture, who had a backstory bolted onto her 5 minutes before she died in order to give her fate some kind of pathos.
It did not work and I did not care.
What little character development she had was grafted on crudely and at the last minute.
Before she died, she was just a robot, who made buzzing noises when she moved her head, played by two actresses who spent more time in make-up than they did looking at a script.
Her death meant nothing to me.
Airiam was a piece of bridge furniture, who had a backstory bolted onto her 5 minutes before she died in order to give her fate some kind of pathos.
It did not work and I did not care.
What little character development she had was grafted on crudely and at the last minute.
Before she died, she was just a robot, who made buzzing noises when she moved her head, played by two actresses who spent more time in make-up than they did looking at a script.
Her death meant nothing to me.
It was a passing thought of RTD's while he was putting together Series 1 of Doctor Who and no more than that. It was not 'planned'.
I'd have loved to have done a Star Trek crossover. The very first year, we talked about it. Then Star Trek finally went off air. Landing the Tardis on board the Enterprise would have been magnificent. Can you imagine what their script department would have wanted, and what I would have wanted? It would have been the biggest battle. - Russell T Davies
Nobody was contacted. Nothing was planned. It was a thought and then gone when ENT went.
RTD is a very clever person who has a lot of 'thoughts' that go nowhere.
In no way does that equate to a crossover being planned. Don't allow yourself to be misinformed.
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I can see why many think that. And I agree, for the most part.
The part I don't agree with is I really liked Airiam. It was sad they couldn't develop her piece by piece over the season and a half she was on instead of shoehorning it all into one episode, but I was sad she was killed off. Maybe if the writers did develop her bit by bit over time more people would have felt the impact more greatly.
The part I don't agree with is I really liked Airiam. It was sad they couldn't develop her piece by piece over the season and a half she was on instead of shoehorning it all into one episode, but I was sad she was killed off. Maybe if the writers did develop her bit by bit over time more people would have felt the impact more greatly.
Ditto, to all of that.
It's a darn shame, too. There was an NPC that could have been developed into an interesting character, but that unfortunately was just wasted.
Damn straight.
TOS Season 3 is the weakest by a mile for me but it's not as bad as many make it out to be. It's got a few genuine clunkers and one bona fide stinker in it but it has more rewatchability than many seasons of the later series all the way up to today. It has "The Mark of Gideon" and "And the Children Shall Lead" but it also has "The Enterprise Incident" and "All Our Yesterdays."
Spectre of a Gun and The Tholian Web don't forget. Plus The Empath and Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.
Oh, I had most of those very much in mind. Plus "Requiem for Methuselah."
1. And I'm looking forward to the new Jim Kirk show.
2. They may finally be making a Star Trek I won't watch.
3. I liked season 3. Need to watch 4.
4. OK.
5. BZZZZZ. Next.
6. Not as familiar with VOY. Did she ever have to live among Klingons?
7. It's kind of awesome on it's own.
8. Some of it.
9. Yes.
10. No. The Omega Glory is good all the way through.
11. I blew up Vulcan with the Omega Device and I still don't know what that means.
12. It just had to be good. I watched "Q&A" last night. SNW is a ginormous leap forward.
13. It has meaning. TNG was closer to TOS in some ways but much further away in most others. For example.
I'd be readily willing to give any season of TOS a rewatch.
The only other Trek shows I can say that about are LDS and SNW.
The only other Trek shows I can say that about are LDS and SNW.
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re:Airiam
we didn’t even know she had been an actual flesh and blood person until that episode where she dies right? I mean that’s part of the issue right there. I always assumed she was some sort of Android or robut. But yeah, trying to cram all that backstory in (and still not finding out exactly what happened to her) and then trying to make us feel bad that she died…eh… It was just poorly executed.
like I’d get it if they had done that to Tilly or even Detmer ok, I get it. Airiam was just set dressing.
we didn’t even know she had been an actual flesh and blood person until that episode where she dies right? I mean that’s part of the issue right there. I always assumed she was some sort of Android or robut. But yeah, trying to cram all that backstory in (and still not finding out exactly what happened to her) and then trying to make us feel bad that she died…eh… It was just poorly executed.
like I’d get it if they had done that to Tilly or even Detmer ok, I get it. Airiam was just set dressing.
Wow, I didn't even realize the character had been played by two different actresses.
The person that replaced her position on Discovery was the one who played her in season 1. Season 2, Airiam was played by a different actress.
Presumably the first jacked it in because the time feeling uncomfortable in the make-up chair just wasn't worth it when balanced against the lines she was given.
My personal theory is the character was killed off because the cost of doing her make-up wasn't worth it when balanced against the screen time she got.
If Airiam was introduced in an episode of SNW and killed off there, everyone would be like, "That one episode where we see her story is all we need!" "It's SNW, it's awesome, bite-sized tasty morsels!" "Best thing since sliced bread!" "800 episodes and this was the BEST EVAR!!!!!"
So people who love the one-and-done format of SNW and then say "Oh! DSC did this in one episode?" I don't know. Looks like some bias to me.
That having been said...
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During Season 1 of DSC, it looked like anyone could die at any time. The fact that they made such a big deal about Airiam's death signified a shift in the series' philosophy. That any character couldn't die at any time now. Especially not the main ones. If anyone did, it would be a BIG DEAL now. Unlike when they killed Landry or randomly killed off Culber. I think "Project Daedelus" was also Michelle Paradise's first episode. And she set a tone. So, DSC very much becomes her series from that point on. When they jump into The Future, outside of the characters she inherited, it becomes her show from scratch.
So people who love the one-and-done format of SNW and then say "Oh! DSC did this in one episode?" I don't know. Looks like some bias to me.
That having been said...
I think this is exactly what happened. The actor would've rather that her face be seen, if there's no compelling reason to cover it up and be stuck in that makeup chair for so long whenever she was on set.
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During Season 1 of DSC, it looked like anyone could die at any time. The fact that they made such a big deal about Airiam's death signified a shift in the series' philosophy. That any character couldn't die at any time now. Especially not the main ones. If anyone did, it would be a BIG DEAL now. Unlike when they killed Landry or randomly killed off Culber. I think "Project Daedelus" was also Michelle Paradise's first episode. And she set a tone. So, DSC very much becomes her series from that point on. When they jump into The Future, outside of the characters she inherited, it becomes her show from scratch.
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Wait. Actor 1 played Character 1. Character 1 was recast with Actor 2. Character 1 was killed off and replaced with Character 2. And Character 2 was cast with Actor 1? Wild.
I hope you think better of me than that.
I do. I'm speaking generally from what I"ve seen of Average TrekBBS Poster or Average Trekkie in general.
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