Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x06 - "Lost in Translation"

[Mr. Adventure]

I was disappointed we didn't get to hear Kirk say "Sab-uh-tejh". Did enjoy Carol Kane make a mouthful of "Malarkey". And now I want to see Pike face off with some "Space Hippies".

I like Kirk but he doesn't really mesh with Shatner's Kirk and I feel that way to some extent about Spock, Uhura, Chapel, etc. I've come to not really care, I like the new characters a lot in their own right but I also don't feel much goosebumps when we get "first moments" played out onscreen. I guess they're harmless enough if they don't get in the way of the stories.

That refinery looked a lot like the vampire ship in Lifeforce, better nuke it just to be safe.

 

[Greg Cox]

Gives all the folks saying "It's a different timeline" something to bitch about.

I'm coming to hate the word "timeline" as much as I do "canon."

 

[eschaton]

Remembering TOS, Shatner was slim in Season 1. He started bulking up only in Season 2, both adding muscle mass and the first little bit of flab.

The difference in his physique in shirtless scenes across the series is notable:

 

[Jedi Marso]

My general thoughts on this episode, which was another good one.

1. As others have pointed out, we've seen this plot numerous times. Had it figured out about 5 minutes in. Still well executed.

2. I've commented enough about Kirk in this thread- those comments are available on a scroll-back.

3. I don't like Pelia's character. Bad fit for this cast and crew, I think. Her scenes with Una just felt contrived and cringy.

4. Hemmer! F-yeah! Even zombie-Hemmer. I'll take it! Killing him off was a huge mistake.

5. Kirk /La'an appears to have fallen flat for La'an in her real timeline. Thank God- one less Kirk-thread to deal with.

6. Uhura gives the firing order on the bridge? Hollywood f's this one up all the time. Gawd, in that submarine movie with Gerard Butler, there were so many people giving maneuvering orders and firing commands on the bridge that the crew must have had their head spinning.

The only person on the bridge of a starship giving commands to maneuver or fire should be the officer with the conn or the captain, who (in the USN, anyway) takes the conn automatically if he issues maneuvering orders directly to the helmsman or lee helmsman. Otherwise he passes the order to the conning officer, who then parrots the command, and that is the actual order to shift the rudder or make turns for knots. (The conning officer may or may not be the OOD- more often than not it is the JOOD). If the captain aboard a navy ship takes the conn either by announcing it or issuing a direct order to maneuver, he retains it until he turns it over to someone else, and nobody else can issue maneuvering orders other than the captain- because now he has the conn. Orders to fire weapons aboard a USN ship work differently and usually come from the TAO by way of the ROE, unless superseded by the CO. (Sort that all out! )

7. Do you get 'promoted to fleet captain' or 'assigned as fleet captain'? The former implies that fleet captain is a rank, the latter implies it is a position a senior captain assumes when multiple units are working together when no flag officer is present. Something for fans and writers to ponder...

 

[Jedi Marso]

I'm coming to hate the word "timeline" as much as I do "canon."

As soon as someone decided to invent the first 'prequel', these questions of canon became part of the timeline.

 

[Noname Given]

Kirks "unique" solution seems to only maybe have been known to rough contemporaries and isn't necessarily broadcast in academy lore.

Saavik plainly had no idea what Kirk had done roughly 35 years before, so it clearly has passed from common knowledge.

But I was answering with respect to someone who was wondering how Spock knew about it, if he wasn't directly involved in the situation surrounding Kirk's third run of the simulation.

 

[Greg Cox]

Jim tells La'an how he spent his childhood going from posting to posting because of his dad. Would've been a good time to mention the Tarsus IV massacre in there.

I'm sure they'll reference the Tarsus massacre eventually, but I don't find it odd that Kirk wouldn't bring up a genocidal massacre within five minutes of meeting someone.

"Hi, my name's Greg. Pleased to meet you. Did I mention that I was in NYC on 9/11?"

 

[jackoverfull]

EVERYBODY at the Academy knew.

From STII:TWoK:

Kirk: "I got a commendation for original thinking."

So yeah, what Kirk did on his third Kobayashi Maru run during his time at the academy was WELL KNOWN.

Saviik didn’t know.

 

[CorporalClegg]

There is no fucking timeline. It's not history with real world events. It's a TV show about social justice space magic.

 

[Yistaan]

Spock: Lieutenant Kirk, I do believe we have met before.

Kirk: Have we?

Spock: Tell me, do you still not believe in a "no-win situation"?

Kirk: OOOOHHHHHHHH

 

[Noname Given]

Saviik didn’t know.

Look at the post I replied to. I wasn't talking about Savik I was talking about Spock, who was probably in the academy around the same time. as James T Kirk. Sorry I didn't make a reply that takes every single version of Star Trek into account and just responded directly to a question that a poster was effectively making.

 

[David cgc]

7. Do you get 'promoted to fleet captain' or 'assigned as fleet captain'? The former implies that fleet captain is a rank, the latter implies it is a position a senior captain assumes when multiple units are working together when no flag officer is present. Something for fans and writers to ponder...

Seems to be a rank, albeit a temporary one. Pike was wearing a DSC-style flag-officer's badge with only one of the five(-ish) levels of laurel-leaves filled in. Presumably, it goes Flaptain with just the leaves inside the delta in gold, and then the leaves outside the delta move up from Commodore to Rear Admiral to Vice Admiral to no-qualifiers-Admiral.

(There is one layer of laurels that's partially obscured by the delta, I'm not sure if that would count or not. Maybe it's actually a six-level badge, and it's just hard to tell the difference between a Fleet Captain and Commodore. Wouldn't be the first time Starfleet made a very subtle rank insignia variation.)

 

[jackoverfull]

Remembering TOS, Shatner was slim in Season 1. He started bulking up only in Season 2, both adding muscle mass and the first little bit of flab.

The difference in his physique in shirtless scenes across the series is notable:

McCoy did put him on diet in season 3.

Look at the post I replied to. I wasn't talking about Savik I was talking about Spock, who was probably in the academy around the same time. as James T Kirk. Sorry I didn't make a reply that takes every single version of Star Trek into account and just responded directly to a question that a poster was effectively making.

still no reason to assume anyone in particular would know.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

We've seen the true "Big 3" of TOS, Kirk, Spock and Uhura meeting for the first time.

Oh, come on. No way no how was Uhura part of the Big Three of TOS. In the Kelvin Timeline, maybe, as she's a much more major character there. But she didn't even get an official first name until ST09.

(Apologies if you were being sarcastic here. If so, it didn't really come through.)

McCoy is also assigned to Capella IV before joining the Enterprise crew in 2266 so...yeah.

McCoy says in "Friday's Child" that he was only on Capella IV for a few months, so he most likely wouldn't be assigned there yet. You could certainly bring Bones onto the show for a guest spot and not violate anything that's previously been established.

Kirks "unique" solution seems to only maybe have been known to rough contemporaries and isn't necessarily broadcast in academy lore.

Saavik plainly had no idea what Kirk had done roughly 35 years before, so it clearly has passed from common knowledge.

Yeah. Kirk getting an commendation doesn't necessarily mean that what he did was common knowledge. We only know how Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test played out in the Kelvin Timeline, not in the Prime one. And if SNW ever chooses to hit on it, I'm sure they'll do something different than what ST09 did, because what would be the point otherwise?

 

[Yistaan]

Uhura's strongly implied to have only met Spock relatively recently in the Man Trap. SNW doesn't technically contradict the dialogue below, but it is a rather odd fit now in light of what we know about Uhura, Spock, and Kirk's history now.

SPOCK: Miss Uhura, your last sub-space log contained an error in the frequencies column.
UHURA: Mister Spock, sometimes I think if I hear that word frequency once more, I'll cry.
SPOCK: Cry?
UHURA: I was just trying to start a conversation.
SPOCK: Well, since it is illogical for a communications officer to resent the word frequency, I have no answer.
UHURA: No, you have an answer. I'm an illogical woman who's beginning to feel too much a part of that communications console. Why don't you tell me I'm an attractive young lady, or ask me if I've ever been in love? Tell me how your planet Vulcan looks on a lazy evening when the moon is full.
SPOCK: Vulcan has no moon, Miss Uhura.
UHURA: I'm not surprised, Mister Spock.
CREWMAN [OC]: Transporter room to Bridge. Landing party returning. They report one death.
SPOCK: Bridge acknowledging.
UHURA: I don't believe it.
SPOCK: Explain.
UHURA: You explain. That means that somebody is dead and you just sit there. It could be Captain Kirk. He's the closest thing you have to a friend.
SPOCK: Lieutenant, my demonstration of concern will not change what happened. The transporter room is very well-manned and they will call if they need my assistance.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Uhura's strongly implied to have only met Spock relatively recently in the Man Trap. SNW doesn't technically contradict the dialogue below, but it is a rather odd fit now in light of what we know about Uhura, Spock, and Kirk's history now.

SPOCK: Miss Uhura, your last sub-space log contained an error in the frequencies column.
UHURA: Mister Spock, sometimes I think if I hear that word frequency once more, I'll cry.
SPOCK: Cry?
UHURA: I was just trying to start a conversation.
SPOCK: Well, since it is illogical for a communications officer to resent the word frequency, I have no answer.
UHURA: No, you have an answer. I'm an illogical woman who's beginning to feel too much a part of that communications console. Why don't you tell me I'm an attractive young lady, or ask me if I've ever been in love? Tell me how your planet Vulcan looks on a lazy evening when the moon is full.
SPOCK: Vulcan has no moon, Miss Uhura.
UHURA: I'm not surprised, Mister Spock.
CREWMAN [OC]: Transporter room to Bridge. Landing party returning. They report one death.
SPOCK: Bridge acknowledging.
UHURA: I don't believe it.
SPOCK: Explain.
UHURA: You explain. That means that somebody is dead and you just sit there. It could be Captain Kirk. He's the closest thing you have to a friend.
SPOCK: Lieutenant, my demonstration of concern will not change what happened. The transporter room is very well-manned and they will call if they need my assistance.

Where in that exchange does it imply that they only recently met?

 

[Yistaan]

Where in that exchange does it imply that they only recently met?

Uhura seems unused to Spock's stoicism, something she'd stop needling him about if they've been serving for 7 years together already by that point.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Uhura seems unused to Spock's stoicism, something she'd stop needling him about if they've been serving for 7 years together already by that point.

Oh. OK.

 

[Greg Cox]

Adjust my expectations from the way a character has been for 60 years and how I've always known him?

The same way we've always done with Tarzan, Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, James Bond, Zorro, Batman, Scrooge, etc.

Sixty-plus years of consuming pop culture has given me lots of practice when it comes to accepting different actors playing the same iconic role differently. That's just how it works -- for as long as acting has been a thing.

 

[Nyotarules]

I give it a 6.5. Looks like Chapel will dump Spock or she is the reason he turned down Leila Kalomi. Jim Kirk is a jerk to Sam. No wonder he leaves when James T gets the captaincy. Their father sounds like a terrible parent , similar to Sarek.
Good episode for Uhura. I liked the final scene with the Legacy characters but overall I forced myself to keep watching, something was missing.