What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

My only negative with S4 is Tarka and how willingly Booker went along.

You have to remember that Booker was recently struck by grief over the severe tragedy due to loss of his recently regained extended family and let grief over-ride his better judgement.

it bugged me that he wasn’t willing or able to trust Michael.

I don't think it was a matter of trusting Michael, it was a matter of what he thought was the right call to help the galaxy from preventing future grief, pain, & loss that he suffered.

He's running on emotion & instinct, not on cool collected rational judgement call.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Jason used to be a red head, IIR

He was when he was first introduced, yes. And he stayed a redhead for the entire time he was training to be Batman's partner. When he first put on the Robin costume to rescue Batman in Guatemala, he dyed his hair black to match Dick Grayson's and he never went back.

Post-Crisis Jason just had black hair from the start.

 

[fireproof78]

He's running on emotion & instinct, not on cool collected rational judgement call.

Can't have that. Not in Star Trek.

 

[FormerLurker]

TNG wasn't Star Trek to me until Data said:
Processing.
Processing.
Processing.


Fascinating.

 

[Lord Garth]

Production Order is a better way to watch TOS than Airdate Order. You get to see the show progress in a linear fashion and see when they worked things out and how everything snapped into place. You can also compare the show before Gene L. Coon, during Gene L. Coon, and after Gene L. Coon. And then, of course, when all the new people came in behind-the-scenes during the third season.

When you watch in order, you also get to see how the look and feel of the show subtly evolves from the middle of the '60s to almost the '70s. It's not as obvious as TNG's shift from the '80s to the '90s, since TOS didn't make it to 1970, but the beginning of what would've been a shift is still there.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Production Order is a better way to watch TOS than Airdate Order. You get to see the show progress in a linear fashion and see when they worked things out and how everything snapped into place. You can also compare the show before Gene L. Coon, during Gene L. Coon, and after Gene L. Coon. And then, of course, when all the new people came in behind-the-scenes during the third season.

When you watch in order, you also get to see how the look and feel of the show subtly evolves from the middle of the '60s to almost the '70s. It's not as obvious as TNG's shift from the '80s to the '90s, since TOS didn't make it to 1970, but the beginning of what would've been a shift is still there.

Is this controversial???

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm totally production order with TOS and TNG even though "Unification, Part !" and "Unification, Part II" were filmed in reverse order to accommodate Leonard Nimoy's schedule. I assume TAS episodes were released in the order in which they're meant to be viewed?

 

[Lord Garth]

Is this controversial???

Airdate Order seems to be taking over. At least that's the trend I've been noticing. I just think watching it that way is out-of-whack.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Broadcast order is dumb. Don't see any advantage to it.

 

[Commander Troi]

Production Order is a better way to watch TOS than Airdate Order. You get to see the show progress in a linear fashion and see when they worked things out and how everything snapped into place. You can also compare the show before Gene L. Coon, during Gene L. Coon, and after Gene L. Coon. And then, of course, when all the new people came in behind-the-scenes during the third season.

When you watch in order, you also get to see how the look and feel of the show subtly evolves from the middle of the '60s to almost the '70s. It's not as obvious as TNG's shift from the '80s to the '90s, since TOS didn't make it to 1970, but the beginning of what would've been a shift is still there.

It's definitely been interesting to watch in production order! I can see so much of the world and character building in "real time".

 

[cooleddie74]

Airdate order throws TOS out of whack and places the second Pilot between "Charlie X" and "Mudd's Women." For one week the uniforms and many pieces of equipment change appearance, McCoy vanishes, Sulu is in blue, Uhura isn't there at all and Spock decides for one week to give himself a radical eyebrow overhaul. Give me production order any day of the week.

This isn't 1966-69 anymore and I'm not watching TOS on a small TV set with rabbit ears.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Airdate order throws TOS out of whack and places the second Pilot between "Charlie X" and "Mudd's Women." For one week the uniforms and many pieces of equipment change appearance, McCoy vanishes, Sulu is in blue, Uhura isn't there at all and Spock decides for one week to give himself a radical eyebrow overhaul. Give me production order any day of the week.

This isn't 1966-69 anymore and I'm not watching TOS on a small TV set with rabbit ears.

I'm imagining the backflips at Memory Alpha if they had to base their articles on Airdate Order.

 

[cooleddie74]

Tsar Bomba-level Nerdrage.

 

[Citiprime]

"The Man Trap" is not an episode you'd start with if you're trying to introduce the TOS characters and acclimate the audience to that world. But you can tell why NBC chose it as the initial episode, because it's both a "monster of the week" story and action-oriented. They were still concerned about the show being too "cerebral."

It's arguably the same thing Fox did 40 years later with Firefly, where they reordered the episodes for season 1, didn't show the story intended as the pilot that fleshed out the world, and went with an action-oriented episode that threw you into the world without explaining anything about the characters.

Going by production order creates some issues too though. "Court Martial" and "The Menagerie" are right next to each other. This means the crew visits the same starbase and a different guy is in command the very next week.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Production Order is a better way to watch TOS than Airdate Order. You get to see the show progress in a linear fashion and see when they worked things out and how everything snapped into place.

100% agreed. Watching the show evolve week to week as they figure out what works best is fascinating to see.

You can also compare the show before Gene L. Coon, during Gene L. Coon, and after Gene L. Coon.

Good, GREAT, Not As Good.

And then, of course, when all the new people came in behind-the-scenes during the third season.

AKA the "...WTF? Is this still Star Trek?" year.

When you watch in order, you also get to see how the look and feel of the show subtly evolves from the middle of the '60s to almost the '70s.

Yeah. Those hairstyles on the men get shaggier for sure.

Broadcast order is dumb. Don't see any advantage to it.

Agreed. I grew up with syndication airing TOS in production order and Allan Asherman's The Star Trek Compendium listing the episodes in production order, so that's always been my default viewing order for TOS.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

"The Man Trap" is not an episode you'd start with if you're trying to introduce the TOS characters and acclimate the audience to that world. But you can tell why NBC chose it as the initial episode, because it's both a "monster of the week" story and action-oriented. They were still concerned about the show being too "cerebral."

Plus, it was ready, which not a lot of Star Trek episodes were at that point.

Going by production order creates some issues too though. "Court Martial" and "The Menagerie" are right next to each other. This means the crew visits the same starbase and a different guy is in command the very next week.

Ehh, not a deal breaker for me at all, as there's no indication how much time elapses between "Court Martial" and "The Menagerie." "Court Martial" begins on Stardate 2947.3 and "The Menagerie" begins on Stardate 3012.4. So going by TNG Stardate rules, the first episode is at the end of one year and the second is at the beginning of the next. Plenty of time for some changes to occur on Starbase 11. After all, the Enterprise undergoes a lot of changes between WNMHGB and "The Corbomite Maneuver." Why can't the same be true for Starbase 11?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Plus, it was ready, which not a lot of Star Trek episodes were at that point.

Ehh, not a deal breaker for me at all, as there's no indication how much time elapses between "Court Martial" and "The Menagerie." "Court Martial" begins on Stardate 2947.3 and "The Menagerie" begins on Stardate 3012.4. So going by TNG Stardate rules, the first episode is at the end of one year and the second is at the beginning of the next. Plenty of time for some changes to occur on Starbase 11. After all, the Enterprise undergoes a lot of changes between WNMHGB and "The Corbomite Maneuver." Why can't the same be true for Starbase 11?

Stone runs the docks. Mendez runs the admin side.

 

[Imaus]

If ya want a perfect representation of what 1970s Trek woulda been, watch Quark and his United Galaxy Sanitation Patrol.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Production order is the best way I guess, but transmission order is still perfectly legit.

I actually don't think The Man Trap is such a terrible way to introduce someone to TOS. All the basic relationships are there and the creature itself is interesting visually and the whole thing is resolved in a Star Trek way.

 

[Lord Garth]

If ya want a perfect representation of what 1970s Trek woulda been, watch Quark and his United Galaxy Sanitation Patrol.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

I wouldn't call it a perfect representation. I can't see Phase II being exactly like this, but it's about half-way there.

But, while we're on the topic of '70s Trek and what could've been, here's someone's 3D rendering of the Phase II bridge. I've never seen this before.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies