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Rooting for one segment of the franchise to "beat" another isn't particularly healthy or productive.
Probably not. But it's awfully refreshing to see a show like SNW come out ahead of a show like Picard, if only because it was so embraced by a segment of the fandom that has done nothing but rip apart, mock, and downright disrespect the side of the fandom that enjoys the newer series.

The deification of Terry Matalas hasn't exactly helped. They pushed the notion that Star Trek needed to be saved and that ONLY he could do it.

So yeah, I'll fully admit to taking a little joy out of Strange New Worlds, a show that has nothing to do with Matalas and generally does things differently then Picard, is seemingly doing better, if only by a little.

is really kind of petty.
Absolutely.

It feels like the pettiness, dismissiveness and outright hostility to people with differing opinions has really jumped up a notch (or 10) recently.

This is only the most recent flair up. Happened in 2017 with Discovery, 2009 with the J.J. Film, 2001 with Enterprise, 1992 with DS9, 1987 with TNG..... you get the idea. This is nothing new.
 
I haven't been terribly excited nor sometimes even entertained by DSC but I've never once rooted for PIC or SNW or LD or PRO while at the same time damning and wishing cancellation on DSC. When Trek as a whole is a healthy franchise with lots of options for viewers then we all benefit, and the subpar Trek we don't hold on too high a pedestal is one we can avoid without spending day after day ranting and trolling others about its quality.
 
I haven't been terribly excited nor sometimes even entertained by DSC but I've never once rooted for PIC or SNW or LD or PRO while at the same time damning and wishing cancellation on DSC. When Trek as a whole is a healthy franchise with lots of options for viewers then we all benefit, and the subpar Trek we don't hold on too high a pedestal is one we can avoid without spending day after day ranting and trolling others about its quality.
Indeed. And it be nice for that mutual understanding to be acknowledged, rather than lampooned as hating or not understanding Trek.
 
One of my favorite episodes of all streaming Trek since 2017 is "New Eden," a Season 2 episode of DSC. If I "hate" DSC simply because it's my least-favorite Trek series then that means I must detest a whole lot more things than I ever realized even though I'm at worst ambivalent or "meh" about them.
 
To be clear... I'm glad Picard did well. A rising tide raises all boats. I'm just glad SNW is seemingly doing just a little better, just because it torpedoes the notion that Trek was broken and needed the likes of Lord Terry to fix it.

SNW doing well simply proves that idea to be wrong. I have the same hope for Discovery S5. It's not Picard that I have that much of a problem with, though it was hardly earth-shatteringly great. It's that small but loud segment of the fandom that needs to be reminded that their way isn't the only way.
 
Besides, Seasons 3 and 4 of DSC were partially or wholly superior to the past two seasons of PIC. And that's a hill I'll die on.
And one I won't shell. DIS brought Trek back to the world; nothing can take that away from it. It brought many viewers happiness, and it deserved the opportunity that most of the Bermsn Treks got: to tell its full story and end on it's own terms.
 
Rank the series based on their best seasons. Like what would be the best, collectively solid seasons of the respective series. My favorite seasons from the respective series and how I would rank them:

1. DS9 - Season 5
2. TNG - Season 3
3. TOS - Season 1
4. PIC - Season 3
5. ENT - Season 3
6. SNW - Season 1
7. LD - Season 2
8. PRO - Season 1
9. VOY - Season 4
10. DSC - Season 2

*It's been so long since I've watched TAS, and I can't remember if I've seen enough of it to have an opinion about it lol.
Hmmmm....

I'm not going to rank them. BUT, best season for each series that I've seen in full and has more than two seasons:

TOS - Season 2. The characters are more fleshed out by this point and the actors are more comfortable in the roles.
TNG - Season 4. The quality of this season was more steady than Season 3.
DS9 - Middle of Season 5 to middle of Season 6. I'm cheating here. This is the real peak of the series.
VOY - Season 4. This one's not even close.
ENT - Season 4. This one's not close either.
DSC - I'm going to have to go with... Season 1. This season was unapologetic and, yes, like I say, "All the right people hated it."
PIC - Season 3. No. I'm not a Terry Trekker. I just honestly liked seeing TNG as a TOS Movie.


Now THAT I was upset about, but mainly out of fondness for the versions of Jason Todd that Doug Moench and Mike W. Barr wrote rather than the annoying punk Jim Starlin turned him into.
This is probably an age thing (on my part) more than anything else, since my first exposure to Batman in comics was Post-Crisis. I didn't finally read anything Pre-Crisis with Jason Todd until about two years ago. I read the whole Nocturna storyline. I thought it was pretty good. Nocturna made for an interesting foil, in an unconventional way. And I like the Pre-Crisis versions of Jason Todd and Bullock.
 
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Hmmmm....

I'm not going to rank them. BUT, best season for each series that I've seen in full and has more than two seasons:

TOS - Season 2. The characters are more fleshed out by this point and the actors are more comfortable in the roles.
TNG - Season 4. The quality of this season was more steady than Season 3.
DS9 - Middle of Season 5 to middle of Season 6. I'm cheating here. This is the real peak of the series.
VOY - Season 4. This one's not even close.
ENT - Season 4. This one's not close either.
DSC - I'm going to have to go with... Season 1. This season was unapologetic and, yes, like I say, "All the right people hated it."
PIC - Season 3. No. I'm not a Terry Trekker. I just honestly liked seeing TNG as a TOS Movie.

Best seasons of each series...

TOS - season 1. So many absolute classics here. Season 2 nearly was my choice, but so much of the franchise's groundwork was laid here.

TNG - season 4. Same reason you put.

DS9 - season 4. Closest thing to a perfect season the franchise ever got. (Though your cheat of mid-season 5-6 is a very, very close second.)

VGR - season 4. Agreed, it's not really close.

ENT - season 4. Same.

DISCO - season 3. While I think the ending of 4 was better, 3 didn't have quite as much padding. Season 2 was abysmal, and season 1 was only marginally better than season 2.

LDS - season 3. Not only did they improve upon the first 2 seasons, but every episode of season 3 had either a reference or actually visited DS9.

PIC - season 3. Unquestionably.


Considering season 2 of TAS only had 6 episodes and the show had 22 in total, I don't think it's fair to compare. PRO only has the one so far, and SNW has not finished its second season yet.
 
Hmmmm....

I'm not going to rank them. BUT, best season for each series that I've seen in full and has more than two seasons:

TOS - Season 2. The characters are more fleshed out by this point and the actors are more comfortable in the roles.
TNG - Season 4. The quality of this season was more steady than Season 3.
DS9 - Middle of Season 5 to middle of Season 6. I'm cheating here. This is the real peak of the series.
VOY - Season 4. This one's not even close.
ENT - Season 4. This one's not close either.
DSC - I'm going to have to go with... Season 1. This season was unapologetic and, yes, like I say, "All the right people hated it."
PIC - Season 3. No. I'm not a Terry Trekker. I just honestly liked seeing TNG as a TOS Movie.

In no particular order…

TOS S1 - the best season of any Trek to date
TNG S3
DS9 S6
LD S1
ENT S3 - love S4 but I love the Xindi Arc more
VOY S4
DSC S4 - finally everything clicked.
PIC S3 - really it’s not even close

not listing SNW or PRO since there is only 1 full season of each.
 
Nixon going to China moment.

I think two things that do in DSC Season 4 (and why I didn't list it as my favorite) are:

1. Too many pep talks. This is one instance where I agree with the critics of the show.
2. I'm all for representation, but Adira/Gray wasn't doing anything for me. Sorry.
 
This is probably an age thing (on my part) more than anything else, since my first exposure to Batman in comics was Post-Crisis. I didn't finally read anything Pre-Crisis with Jason Todd until about two years ago. I read the whole Nocturna storyline. I thought it was pretty good. Nocturna made for an interesting foil, in an unconventional way. And I like the Pre-Crisis versions of Jason Todd and Bullock.
I think I'm a bit older than you are (I'm about to turn 51(!)), so I was reading the Pre-Crisis Jason Todd stuff in real time. And yeah, it's pretty obvious that when Gerry Conway created Jason, he was basically meant to be Dick Grayson in everything but name. He came from a circus aerialist family like Dick, and they were even named the Flying Todds! :lol: Jason basically came about because Gerry Conway wanted Dick Grayson/Robin back in the Batman books but Marv Wolfman & George Pérez were having great success with Dick over in The New Teen Titans, DC's top seller at the time. So ultimately DC editorial just decided to split the character in two. So Marv & George kept Dick Grayson, had him quit being Robin, and came up with a new identity for him, Nightwing. And Gerry created a new Robin for the Batman books to use. (Conway ended up leaving the Bat books just as Batman took Jason on as a new partner, though, so most of Jason's initial development fell to Doug Moench.)

Post-Crisis, they decided to give Jason a unique origin that wasn't just a duplicate of Dick Grayson's, so then Bat-writer Max Alan Collins decided to give him the same basic origin as Junior Tracy from the Dick Tracy comic strip, a street kid adopted by the hero. And then, gradually, bit by bit, Jason became more jerky and the readers turned against him. (I feel like this was mostly because of Jim Starlin, who disliked Robin and wanted him out of the book so he could write solo Batman stories.) DC came up with the 1-900 number stunt to finally deal with the problem the character had become, and they were very surprised when the readers actually voted to kill Jason off by a 72 vote margin (I called twice to let him live, personally). It got DC a WAVE of bad publicity too, as the general public in 1988 had no idea that Robin was no longer the fellow that Burt Ward played on TV in the 1960s. And so DC quickly began to create a new Robin that readers would like more, mostly for merchandising reasons. And they were much more successful with Tim Drake.

Nocturna was never one of my favorites, and she was basically dropped from the Bat books because longtime Batman editor Denny O'Neil disliked the character, too. (Doug Moench told me this directly when I interviewed him about 10 years back.) Bullock is awesome, though!

Anyway. Sorry for the Bat Digression, folks! I just find the Jason Todd Robin story fascinating. :)
 
TOS - Season 2.
TAS - Season 1.
TNG - Seasons 4 and 5 tied.
DS9 - Seasons 4 and 6 tied.
VOY - Season 4.
ENT - Season 4.
DSC - Season 4.
PIC - Season 3.
 
Nixon going to China moment.

I think two things that do in DSC Season 4 (and why I didn't list it as my favorite) are:

1. Too many pep talks. This is one instance where I agree with the critics of the show.
2. I'm all for representation, but Adira/Gray wasn't doing anything for me. Sorry.

My only negative with S4 is Tarka and how willingly Booker went along.
 
DS9 - Middle of Season 5 to middle of Season 6. I'm cheating here. This is the real peak of the series.
Yours is probably the best answer.

Seasons 4-6 are just awesome. I wanted to go with season 6, since it has the Dominion War arc with really strong episodes (e.g., "Rocks and Shoals" and "Sacrifice of Angels"), but I think season 5 is the most consistent and it has "Call to Arms," which I think is the best Trek season finale after "Best of Both Worlds."
Nixon going to China moment.

I think two things that do in DSC Season 4 (and why I didn't list it as my favorite) are:

1. Too many pep talks. This is one instance where I agree with the critics of the show.
2. I'm all for representation, but Adira/Gray wasn't doing anything for me. Sorry.
I wished Discovery season 4 had abandoned the idea that each season of the series needs to be about a season-long crisis. It would have worked so much better if they had adopted the Strange New Worlds episodic tact and just been a show with a Starfleet vessel in the 32nd century, letting the characters shine from episode to episode with different adventures that weren't all part of a threat to the galaxy as we know it.

And to me, the ending of season 3 gave them a lane to continue with the idea of rebuilding the Federation. What does Starfleet find when they finally start making contact with the civilizations that had been out of reach for so long? What issues does a reconstituted Federation have to face? And what alliances and adversaries might have formed at the edges of Federation space that they don't know about because of the distances? By and large, season 4 drops that thread.
 
More of my top favorite TOS episodes are from TOS season 2, but I fully expect TOS season 1 would have the highest average ranking of all three seasons. TOS season 3 would have the lowest average, and the fewest top favorites.
 
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