That documentary contains some shocking stuff. The rate with which people walked in the door and were either a) shown out or b) walked out is horrendous.
Why was Enterprise received so poorly?
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That documentary contains some shocking stuff. The rate with which people walked in the door and were either a) shown out or b) walked out is horrendous.
That's why I love interviewing people about projects they did a decade or more ago. Most people no longer have any reason to lie anymore, so they can give you the straight scoop.
Nothing.
Its just more Temporal Cold War hijinks, this time including characters from VOY, and ENT once again being used as a setting for the conflict. Which has nothing to do with the events leading to the creation of the Federation.
Well, it sounds like just more 24th century crutches like the Borg and the Ferengi that made ENT incapable of truly being a prequel to TOS and a show ostensibly about the creation of the Federation.
#uck me, it's a trick!
John gets paid the same on a Star Trek, if he has more than zero lines.... But if Jeri takes most of his screen time, its still a Silik episode, but John gets to chill out for the most, in his trailer getting baked on edibles.
Saw John on Tanner 88 recently, an 80s political comedy, that feels like a Veep prequel... But if there's one thing the new (final) Babylon 5 movie should do, is chase up on Del Varner: The Most Dangerous Man in the Galaxy.
John gets paid the same on a Star Trek, if he has more than zero lines.... But if Jeri takes most of his screen time, its still a Silik episode, but John gets to chill out for the most, in his trailer getting baked on edibles.
Saw John on Tanner 88 recently, an 80s political comedy, that feels like a Veep prequel... But if there's one thing the new (final) Babylon 5 movie should do, is chase up on Del Varner: The Most Dangerous Man in the Galaxy.
Not sure how strong a Federation creation/really original series focused prequel would be, from the original, aside humans and Vulcans the Andorians and Tellarites did seem to be the only core members of the Federation, you probably should/have to create other/original aliens and portray them as also key to the Federation.
Well, let’s see how successful ENT was at portraying the creation of the Federation:
Season 1: crew on ship flying around aimlessly through space.
Season 2: crew on ship flying around aimlessly through space.
Season 3: crew on ship trying to find evil organization that destroyed a city on Earth in a sneak-attack.
Season 4: crew on ship flying around aimlessly through TOS references.
Oh, and a few episodes tacked at the end devoted to the precursor to the Federation.
DCM: "It would be racist not to stack the deck in favor of white people!"
If there's discrimination happening against impoverished people who are white, then it's happening on the basis of their class status, not on the basis of their being white. The word for discrimination against people on the basis of their class status is classism.
I'm a straight white guy. You're full of shit.
Given your whining and your full-throated defense of discrimination against non-whites, I'd say people had other reasons for not giving you opportunities, and it had way more to do with the content of your character than the color of your skin.
We have gotten nothing but good Star Trek written and performed for and by mentally cognizant adults since 2017.
If you think "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow," the heart of which story was about trauma and loss and grief, was solely written to wave away continuity errors, then you have spectacularly missed the point of the episode. If you misunderstood the point of that episode that badly, that also suggests why people didn't give you creative writing opportunities.
Globally there was piracy to consider.
With Voyager, we had a choice of waiting 2 years for the episode to air free on TV, or renting 2 new unseen episodes on VHS for 7 dollars from a Blockbuster, and then two years later when the episode did air, the ratings sucked.
With Enterprise, we all had that one boffin with a computer, and his finger on the pulse, who would burn half a season onto a CD, and then we would circulate the episodes, and 3 years later when the Episodes began airing, no one would watch and the ratings sucked.
Of course, I was collecting Voyager and Enterprise as home made recordings on VHS, so the lag did not diminish my viewership, not that I was personally part of the equation that calculated ratings, but we were watching downloads of Enterprise Season 1, while TVNZ was still playing firstrun episodes of Voyager Season 6.
It's like they wanted us to be criminals.
With Voyager, we had a choice of waiting 2 years for the episode to air free on TV, or renting 2 new unseen episodes on VHS for 7 dollars from a Blockbuster, and then two years later when the episode did air, the ratings sucked.
With Enterprise, we all had that one boffin with a computer, and his finger on the pulse, who would burn half a season onto a CD, and then we would circulate the episodes, and 3 years later when the Episodes began airing, no one would watch and the ratings sucked.
Of course, I was collecting Voyager and Enterprise as home made recordings on VHS, so the lag did not diminish my viewership, not that I was personally part of the equation that calculated ratings, but we were watching downloads of Enterprise Season 1, while TVNZ was still playing firstrun episodes of Voyager Season 6.
It's like they wanted us to be criminals.
Thinking about how P+ still has not come to Vietnam and that there's no legitimate way to watch new Star Trek here I'd have to say:
FTFY.
FTFY.
We're not allowed to talk about Piracy.
Infractions will ensue.
I felt that historical acts from 25 years ago past a statute of limitations, and I would not get into trouble.
Why do I feel like the US Army Bases in Vietnam get free Disney Plus?
(Google, google... )
Netflix gives no discount to the armed forces, but Disney + gives %25 discount to persons with military ID... Yes, probably even Space Force.
However you have to assume that in recreational areas like Officers clubs that the Army or the bar/club itself pays for Disney + and that their patrons can watch Moana whenever they want.
Guy Gardener, for all your repeated acknowledgments that talking about piracy is not permitted, you're certainly talking about it a lot.
Please stop. Or infractions will ensue.
Going back to the representation issue… TBH, as a white British guy living in Britain, I thought the series was a step backwards from ‘90s Trek even back in August 2001, when the first solid details about the series were being reported about online. Theres, said it.
White Captain, Black "Captain", Woman Captain, White Captain.
Going back to White Captain again, was two steps back, when the obvious step forward was Gay Captain.
(Note the contemporary turn of the century LGBT friendly fan Series Hidden Frontier, which punched that ticket admirably, several times.)
TAS added representatives of (apparently) new member species in Starfleet, such as Arex (Edosian) and M'Ress (Caitian). We do not know if their species were already members of the Federation in the pre-TOS era, so their addition (meaning never appearing on any ship named Enterprise) would be doable.
And as it happens, for some perspective on 2001, Scott Bakula had just played a character for whom the fact of being gay was his relevance in the story, 2 years earlier in American Beauty.
I know the least about the behind the scenes stuff of anyone on this board because I don’t bother with that stuff but I find the rest of the casting to be more startling in its lack of meaningful diversity than the casting of the Captain. I guess I always assumed in Scott Bakula’s case that UPN wanted the highest tier* of known actor they could get for legitimacy as it were.
In the way Stargate cast the great Richard Dean Anderson.
*By highest tier I mean- known, previous Science Fiction, success in niche TV, name recognition etc. - I realized that could be misread.
I know the least about the behind the scenes stuff of anyone on this board because I don’t bother with that stuff but I find the rest of the casting to be more startling in its lack of meaningful diversity than the casting of the Captain. I guess I always assumed in Scott Bakula’s case that UPN wanted the highest tier* of known actor they could get for legitimacy as it were.
In the way Stargate cast the great Richard Dean Anderson.
*By highest tier I mean- known, previous Science Fiction, success in niche TV, name recognition etc. - I realized that could be misread.
Not that it's canon, but M'Ress and Arex fell through a time hole and joined the 2370s crew of the USS Excalibur in Peter David's New Frontier novels.
I wonder if Archer and the show would have been better if in some ways it went further, cast Trineer, or someone his age, rather than Bakula as Archer as a real young hotshot even if he then is able to mature pretty quickly. Berman outright did say that he wanted Archer to be charmingly boyish and that might have felt better or more appropriate with someone actually pretty young.
It also could be interesting to see Mayweather, with his background of actually a lot of experience, or Reed, who I think just conveyed more sense of experience and professionalism than Tucker, as first officer or chief engineer (maybe, it would be weird in a cool way, first officer while also chief engineer or first officer while also helmsman or tactical officer).
It also could be interesting to see Mayweather, with his background of actually a lot of experience, or Reed, who I think just conveyed more sense of experience and professionalism than Tucker, as first officer or chief engineer (maybe, it would be weird in a cool way, first officer while also chief engineer or first officer while also helmsman or tactical officer).
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