I give it three more pages of this. Any other bets?
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Look, think of it this way.
A long-running video-game franchise began in the 1980s. The first game was 8-bit, the latest game has modern 3D graphics. In the latest game, there's an 8-bit level styled after the first game as an easter egg. It works well as a reference. But that doesn't mean that general audiences would accept an entirely 8-bit game in the 2020s.
Yeah, I think we should start a new thread.
This looks like TOS meets VOY. Or, more accurately, TOS meets Berman Trek.
Here's the thing a lot of you don't get: A lot of us were sick to death of the Rick Berman style of Star Trek long before it even ended. The last thing I wanted when Star Trek returned to TV in 2017 was more "Star Trek like Ricky B used to make it!"
There are 624 episodes with Rick Berman's name in the credits. He had his shot, he's done. He's been done. Alex Kurtzman is highly unlikely to reach a similar number of episodes. And when Alex Kurtzman's time is up, and it's someone else's turn at the bat, I won't expect them to be like him. Nor will I insist that they be like him.
As far as cosmetically advanced prequels, it happens. And not just in Star Trek. Prometheus doesn't look like a prequel to Alien... and they were both directed by Ridley Scott!
I say this as someone who's generally not a fan of prequels. I don't like ENT, I don't like the Kelvin Films that much, and SNW is the first live-action Star Trek series in the Kurtzman Era that I haven't embraced. As far as prequels go, my liking Discovery so much was the exception, not the rule. And I was really quick to embrace them going into The Future. Exact quote from me, "Yes! No more stupid prequel arguments!"
EDITED TO ADD: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the Kelvin Films are a reboot not a prequel, but let's not split any hairs.
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Cool! I enjoyed her on Chuck.
HELL TO THE YES. The Berman style of Trek got stale at least five years before it ended. I had long stretches of both VOY and ENT where I stopped watching them because they were just bad photocopies of TNG's style of storytelling. (I came back for ENT's 4th season, and I'm glad I did. I didn't see most of VOY between "Flashback" and "Endgame" until the last decade or so.)
I don't know how controversial this might be, but what the hell: Star Trek will never have a prequel that fits with the other shows in the STU as well as Better Call Saul fits with Breaking Bad.
Bonus More Controversial Opinions: I never thought the VOY theme was very good. I love Jerry Goldsmith, but the VOY theme is not up to his usual standard. Much like the show itself, the VOY theme meanders around without much purpose.
And the design of the Voyager isn't very good, either. It's way too flat and looks awful in profile. It looks more like a garden spade or a shoehorn than a Starship.
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I don't hate the Voyager theme, but it is kind of bland. It bugs me how often it gets "best Star Trek series theme" accolades when the much superior Deep Space Nine seasons 1-3 theme is sitting right there.
Agreed. I'll take the DS9 theme over VOY's in a heartbeat.
I think both DS9 and VOY themes are fantastic musical sketches of space. The theme is arguably the best aspect of VOY, really.
This operates from the false premise that TOS is as comparable to modern ST as your 8-bit game to current games. If that had been the case all along, then it has to be repeated: the DS9 & ENT episodes would not have been praised for--among many reasons--its smooth integration of TOS (ships, interiors, costumes, etc.) with the DS9 & ENT universes (and their production standards).
That was no one-off gag, or used in a negative, contrasting sense, but TOS fully immersed with its spin-offs to end up with three of the finest, arguably most well-received (read: accepted) hours across two series.
I'm not saying to return to Berman style storytelling? Where is this coming from?
Merely that the design ethos of the TOS era could be replicated a lot more 'faithfully' than DSC or SNW shows, along with say, if we ever returned to the TNG era, or the Movie era. Few things need be updated window-dressing wise, other than turning the computers to be actually computers than cardboard print outs or tv displays and better looking materials for the furnishings that don't look like wood and cardboard.
I want to hear the DS9 theme played on a Uillean pipe.
the S4-7 version of the DS9 theme is the best version. And while I like the Voyager theme it’s not the best by a long shot.
I agree on the design of Voyager too. And none of the concepts are all that great either. It looks like a giant upside down spoon.
I will take every single episode of PIC S2 over every single episode of ENT S2.
We call it the sleek Italian running shoe.
Sorry. That bridge design screamed to me, "What would B&B approve for the bridge of the original Enterprise if it were designed in 1998?" And a picture is worth 1,000 words, so my mind went to, "No! The Hell with the Berman Trek! That's what you want back?!" Sorry if I jumped to a wrong conclusion.
I can see what you're saying. But DSC offered enough things that I liked (darker tone, serialized stories, going wild) that I was willing to overlook the visual changes. It was basically a situation of, "Okay, so you're not going for the TOS Look, what else do you have to offer that I might like? I'll look the other way if you show me what you've got and I like it." I can't say the same about SNW, the Kelvin Films, or ENT. So that's pretty much what it came down to.
As it happens, I've loved the design for what ended up becoming the Discovery ever since I first saw Ralph McQuarrie's artwork for Planet of the Titans in a book, The Art of Star Trek, in 1995.
Spoiler for Picard Season 3:
They showed a TOS-style Constitution Class Starship in the Fleet Musuem and, yes, I liked seeing that. It reinforced what I think: PIC takes place in the Prime Timeline while DSC/SNW take place in a Modified Prime Timeline. Something else from SNW Season 2 drove it even further home, but I won't get into that here.
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I'm pretty sure they do. And it's not like any of their storylines overlap anyway, do they?
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