No, the footage that plays during Pike's speech shows that it happened in the early 21st Century, likely in response to Trumpism.
Khan and the Eugenics War
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Akiva Goldsman said that Pike's speech in the series premiere confirms that even then the Eugenics Wars had already been moved past the 1990s: "This is a correction. Because otherwise, it’s silly, or Star Trek ceases to be in our universe…By the way, this happened in Season 1, so this is not a Season 2 [issue]. It’s a pilot issue." - https://trekmovie.com/2023/07/01/st...plains-shows-correction-to-star-trek-history/
So basically, La'an ALWAYS was a descendant of 2022 Khan, and the time hiccup in S2 was just the Toronto destruction happening to 2022 Khan was what caused the shift to alt-Kirk's universe. And that's why she didn't disappear at the end of the episode.
So basically, La'an ALWAYS was a descendant of 2022 Khan, and the time hiccup in S2 was just the Toronto destruction happening to 2022 Khan was what caused the shift to alt-Kirk's universe. And that's why she didn't disappear at the end of the episode.
@JoseNoodles: I know what the footage shows. I'm looking at larger historical context here. The Second American Civil War can be argued to have started in 1950 or thenabouts...and did not stop there. It was bubbling along right up to 2053.
@Yistaan: I've read the argument of Messrs. Goldsman and Myers for their "correction", and I don't agree that it was necessary. The story can still stand as part of the larger Temporal (Cold) War threads, and I don't see that aspect of things being over just yet. After all, they left all the other early 21st Century stuff specific to Trek's version of human history alone, per PIC Season 2...
@Yistaan: I've read the argument of Messrs. Goldsman and Myers for their "correction", and I don't agree that it was necessary. The story can still stand as part of the larger Temporal (Cold) War threads, and I don't see that aspect of things being over just yet. After all, they left all the other early 21st Century stuff specific to Trek's version of human history alone, per PIC Season 2...
The whole eugenics thing really feels like something out of 60s sci-fi commenting on it during that period of time.
I found this Guardian article about it: https://www.theguardian.com/science...ce-meets-fiction-the-dark-history-of-eugenics
Really, right now, when I think of Eugenics, I think of all of the Doodles. They're everywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldendoodle
I found this Guardian article about it: https://www.theguardian.com/science...ce-meets-fiction-the-dark-history-of-eugenics
Really, right now, when I think of Eugenics, I think of all of the Doodles. They're everywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldendoodle
Or, more likely, STARTED by it.
The simplest explanation is that 1990s Khan actually was a benevolent dictator and the other shows that portray him as a bloodthirsty tyrant in fact take place with the newly established 2022 Khan who actually is a murderous maniac. Or as I mentioned in another thread, John Gill's (the guy who tried to turn an alien planet into WW2 Germany) twisted history lectures at Starfleet Academy influenced Kirk, Scotty, etc.'s way of thinking.
"Records are fragmentary." Easiest explanation. They don't have the whole picture.
Yup. It's right there in the episode.
Everything else was lost except Khan's Truth Social posts...
Footage of the January 6th riot.
I think the timeline changed when they hung Mike Pence.
Indeed, and it's interesting in the quote Tuskin cites in his post, that Khan didn't attack unless attacked.
Well, the episode doesn't even bear that out, since Khan immediately asserts his will to dominate over the Enterprise. "Such man dare take what they want." His whole demeanor of civility is a facade. Why would the historical record reflect his more barbaric ways. The idealism of his reign, no massacres, is not accurate at all.
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Or La'an Little talk change history to the way it was intended to be
Exactly. Look at what Khan does in the episode. Look at how quickly he loses his temper and becomes violent whenever anyone crosses him. Look at how much he uses torture as an interrogation tactic. Now think about what kind of people would willingly follow such a man.
I believe there had to be massacres under Khan's rule, but they were largely covered up. Hell, Spock outright says there were "whole populations bombed out of existence." What is that if not massacring people?
Another point: Scott says, "There were no massacres under his rule." That doesn't mean Khan didn't commit massacres on the way to BECOMING ruler of 1/4th of the planet. Heck, I'm not sure it's even possible to achieve that without committing a few atrocities along the way.
Its an evolutionary war.
It's about babies.
You don't execute dissenters, you chain them to a bed, and keep them pregnant or keep them producing baby batter.
Are you ok?
Their post history should explain
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