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The Ahsoka series is coming.

True but you've missed Reverend's larger point: How these two characters connect with Ahsoka thematically. What he outlines in his post makes more sense than some non-Jedi Force user.

That said, I agree that it could be interesting to see such characters, just not in this show where their inclusion would appear arbitrary.
 
A list of all known Order 66 survivors (that they could find) in both Legends and Canon.
https://numidianprime.wordpress.com/2023/06/06/jedi-survivors-running-the-numbers/

As of this post, the new canon has 6 alive as of ANH, while the EU had 50, and that's not counting Inquisitors/defectors.

Mind you, obviously some of these EU survivors were created before the prequels and Order 66. Though the Jedi being hunted down was first mentioned in ANH.
 
I don't mind that we have another order 66 survivor, but I hope his order 66 story is a little different than the rest. Surely there was some Jedi that were out on missions without a clone contingent at the time the order was issued.
 
I liked Rahm Kota's backstory in TFU. He didn't trust clones so his unit was made up of regular humans.

His name was one of the easter egg names in Obi-Wan
 
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I'm fine with many Order 66 survivors. The only number I can find about the number of jedi present during late prequel era/order 66 was that it was around 10,000 in both Legends and EU. Even if that includes padawans and less combat capable jedi, that's a lot of mystical force knights to be killed by brainwashed clones. If even 5% of the jedi survived the purge and post purge hunting that would be 500 jedi, and that would still be a very successful purge from the Sith POV.

The SW Galaxy is huge (even if it seems small because we're always shown the same few planets in TV shows and movies), and most jedi were smart/skilled. The ones that survive the initial purge were the luckier or smarter ones, and would be even harder to catch ten the average ones (at least generally speaking). It wouldn't surpriuse me if the smartest ones pulled a Yoda and just stayed out of Galactic events (even into the OT era), just living where no one could find/bother them, since even Vader/The Inquisitors couldn'tsearch every inch of the Galaxy.
 
It always kind of served as a thorn in my mind... If there were all these Jedi of varying skill levels still known to be running around post-Order 66, how could Tarkin (a Grand Moff of the Empire, mind you, not a minor functionary) tell Vader, “The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.”? Did he not know that new sensitive Force users (and, ergo, potential new Jedi) were being born all over the galaxy every day?

He apparently didn't even know the Emperor was a Sith, FSS! How could this guy have risen to the very top of the Imperial hierarchy and not even heard rumors of rogue Jedi, either light or gray, still bouncing around out there? Was it denial? Wishful thinking? Willful ignorance? More bad Lucas writing? That line flat-out vexes the hell out of me. I am vexed...
 
The line written nearly 50 years ago before Lucas and anyone else started conceiving of other Fore-sensitive characters besides Luke, Vader, and Obi-Wan?
 
It always kind of served as a thorn in my mind... If there were all these Jedi of varying skill levels still known to be running around post-Order 66, how could Tarkin (a Grand Moff of the Empire, mind you, not a minor functionary) tell Vader, “The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.”? Did he not know that new sensitive Force users (and, ergo, potential new Jedi) were being born all over the galaxy every day?

He apparently didn't even know the Emperor was a Sith, FSS! How could this guy have risen to the very top of the Imperial hierarchy and not even heard rumors of rogue Jedi, either light or gray, still bouncing around out there? Was it denial? Wishful thinking? Willful ignorance? More bad Lucas writing? That line flat-out vexes the hell out of me. I am vexed...
It is one of those things that bothers me (still) with ROTS to A New Hope that the Jedi are treated as "extinct" and no possibly of returning. Now, that of course can be put on Imperial level arrogance thinking they had wiped out a threat, and that without formal leadership that the Jedi would not ever return.

I think it's just arrogance...and bad writing.
 
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Statistically, there are probably hundereds of force capable children born each year, and that continued to happen after Order 66.
Some were found by Vader or the Emporer, but at a guess most just slipped through the cracks, so you could have a 20 something force user, with no training, or barely any they have cobbled together, so you may have a Merc, or a pilot, etc. that has force abilities. I'd like to start encountering them, not 66 survivors.
Let's not forget when and where we are in the timeline. For most of the last three decades there has been a concerted galaxy wide effort to hunt down, capture and/or eliminate *anyone* with force sensitivity potential. Statistically, only a fraction of a percentage of those would have evaded capture and detection each year. Compounded by the systematic elimination of bloodlines with higher than average m-counts meaning the second generation born under the Empire would have an order of magnitude even fewer potential candidates, all while the resources levied against them only increases.
The Empire has only been gone for 5 years, so unless you're expecting the next big bad to be barely out kindergarten, it pretty much has to be a survivor, or someone trained by one.

Plus, as I already said, potential is only part of it. You have to have someone that actually knows what they're doing to 1) recognise the potential at an early enough age, and 2) train them to use their abilities. The only people out in the wild that that kind of knowledge are surviving Jedi. Without that, most will have their talent simply fade as they grow up. There's a reason Jedi prefer to begin instruction from childhood.

And none of this matters if as I suspect the point of these characters is to draw a direct parallel with Ahsoka and/or say something about the fate of the Order. You don't just pick the main villains out of a hat for the sake of variety, their story has to matter just as much as the protagonists.
It is one of those things that bothers me (still) with ROTS to A New Hope that the Jedi are treated as "extinct" and no possibly of returning. Now, that of course can be put on Imperial level arrogance thinking they had wiped out a threat, and that without formal leadership that the Jedi would not ever return.

I think it's just arrogance...and bad writing.
Correction: "all but extinct" is the exact words used. I'd say a few dozen or even a hundred survivors of a group that once numbered ten thousand qualifies as very nearly wiped out.

I don't mind that we have another order 66 survivor, but I hope his order 66 story is a little different than the rest. Surely there was some Jedi that were out on missions without a clone contingent at the time the order was issued.
Yup. There's at least two such examples in 'Jedi: Survivour' but I won't go into detail because I can't be arsed to use spoiler tags. Suffice to say one was off on their own doing stuff unrelated to the war, the other was working undercover much as Voss often did. Aside from that; the guy Vader got his new kyber crystal from right after RotS had taken the Barash Vow and was living as a hermit off on his own during the war. Plus you have those like Ahsoka (and Dooku, I suppose) that left the Order for their own reasons. Eeth Koth supposedly did so at some point during the war and it took Vader a decade to track him down. I'm sure there were others not in the immediate vicinity of clones. So there's options. It's even possible this guy was a disgraced Jedi in prison like Barris was, or as Krell would have been had Dogma not offed him. Maybe he escaped. Maybe he didn't and became an Inquisitor for a time before fleeing with a little fair haired force sensitive baby he couldn't bring himself to hand over to Operation Harvester, and instead raising her as his apprentice.

Not that I think it's a huge problem that the survivor stories are so similar, especially given the circumstances. Any Jedi around clones on that day got shot at, and were either killed or ran for their lives, forced to go into hiding. Those that weren't around clones (or worse) soon were whether they wanted to be or not, and again: getting shot at, running for their lives, going into hiding. Yadda-yadda-yadda.
Either way there's a commonality of experience there that's hard to ignore. Pogroms are like that.
 
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A Force-sensitive isn't the same thing as a Jedi. Without an extant Jedi order it would indeed be reasonable to suggest that the Jedi religion was no more.

And rumors are just that... rumors.
 
I'm fine with many Order 66 survivors. The only number I can find about the number of jedi present during late prequel era/order 66 was that it was around 10,000 in both Legends and EU. Even if that includes padawans and less combat capable jedi, that's a lot of mystical force knights to be killed by brainwashed clones. If even 5% of the jedi survived the purge and post purge hunting that would be 500 jedi, and that would still be a very successful purge from the Sith POV.

The SW Galaxy is huge (even if it seems small because we're always shown the same few planets in TV shows and movies), and most jedi were smart/skilled. The ones that survive the initial purge were the luckier or smarter ones, and would be even harder to catch ten the average ones (at least generally speaking). It wouldn't surpriuse me if the smartest ones pulled a Yoda and just stayed out of Galactic events (even into the OT era), just living where no one could find/bother them, since even Vader/The Inquisitors couldn'tsearch every inch of the Galaxy.
Wow, I used to think there were too many Jedi survivors around, but your argument has me totally convinced and I am now fine with dozens or even hundreds of them.

This of course sheds a new light on the OT: Yoda wasn’t the only master available, but only the best one, if things hadn’t worked out with him Obi-Wan would have sent Luke to another of the many former Jedi around.

As to why most of them never joined the rebellion, they probably knew well what Luke himself realises in RotJ: a Jedi is a liability more than an asset, as it’s bound to attract Vader’s attention towards an otherwise unremarkable rebel cell. They just lied low and maybe tried to help when they could without attracting attention.
After the fall of the empire one wonders what happened with them, but that’s still a mostly unexplored scenario. For all we know some got in contact with Luke.
It always kind of served as a thorn in my mind... If there were all these Jedi of varying skill levels still known to be running around post-Order 66, how could Tarkin (a Grand Moff of the Empire, mind you, not a minor functionary) tell Vader, “The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.”?
He’s a victim of his own propaganda. And few hundreds Jedi are probably few enough to say they are all but extinct anyway.

Did he not know that new sensitive Force users (and, ergo, potential new Jedi) were being born all over the galaxy every day?
That was true in any case, but force users aren’t necessarily Jedi. Also, most of them were located and either killed or turned into inquisitors or never reached any potential beyond some parlour tricks abilities.

He apparently didn't even know the Emperor was a Sith, FSS!
Why would he? The emperor probably never used his ability in front of anyone but his most trusted servants.
How could this guy have risen to the very top of the Imperial hierarchy and not even heard rumors of rogue Jedi, either light or gray, still bouncing around out there?
If you start listening to rumors while serving in the military of a fascist dictatorship your career isn’t likely to last long. Or your life, in fact.
 
The "victim of his own propaganda" explanation I think fits best here, and I guess "not my job" would have been Tarkin's general response when it came to the topic of rogue Jedi. That was what the Inquisitors were for, after all. I just find it mystifying that he would tell Vader he's the only one left when that was demonstrably untrue. Vader should have known better as well.
 
The "victim of his own propaganda" explanation I think fits best here, and I guess "not my job" would have been Tarkin's general response when it came to the topic of rogue Jedi. That was what the Inquisitors were for, after all. I just find it mystifying that he would tell Vader he's the only one left when that was demonstrably untrue. Vader should have known better as well.
Vader doesn't care. He has his task, and Tarkin has his. The Emperor would create competition between subordinates but Tarkin and Vader were high enough level to realize their own positions of power, and abilities gave them far more latitude in the Empire than most officers.
 
There's a difference between stating a carefully verified objective fact, and stating a slightly hyperbolic opinion. What Tarkin was doing is much more the latter than the former.

Also from Tarkin's point of view, it was true. To him, the only kind of power worth considering is the ability to apply force (no, the other kind.) By that metric, a handful of desperate, disconnected, half-trained vagabond wizards scattered across the galaxy hiding on backwaters, or squatting with doomed revolutionaries is indistinguishable from extinct.
The Jedi as an organised religion is gone. The Jedi as a military leadership is gone. The Jedi as a force in galactic affairs is gone.

This is all of course a failure of imagination and rigidity of thinking on Tarkin's part, which seems perfectly in-character for him.

All that said, he changed his tune very quickly not 10 seconds later when it became clear Vader was right. Indeed, his reaction to believing Obi-Wan was there lies in stark contrast with his reaction to finding Kanan on Lothal (with whom he was less than impressed.) Kenobi he considered a legitimate threat, but only as an individual. It likely didn't alter his opinion on the Jedi as a whole in the slightest.
 
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How is it no one has commented on the significant bit of news this new promo reveals:
Premiere Date August 23rd
Which neatly pushes aside any (mostly small) fears that the show might be delayed because of the writers' strike, due to the potential need for writing in post production as we discussed awhile back (I can't even remember if it was this thread or another).

As for the trailer itself, it's glorious to see Sabine wield Ezra's lightsaber. :D
 
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