Memory Alpha and Memory Beta

[The Wormhole]

But hasn't that been what the TrekBBS has been since 2001, when Enterprise premiered?

Even earlier than that. I remember back in the day people taking issue with the backstory established about Seven of Nine's parents as established in Dark Frontier, and how that contradicted TNG Canon or whatever.

And had Trek BBS existed at the time we'd probably be arguing something in DS9 violated canon as laid down by TNG, or TNG violating TOS Canon. We really are an argumentative bunch when it comes to our perceptions of canon.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The difference being we continue to argue and nothing is conclusively resolved, besides softball questions. And given all the discussion we do and repeats of questions, it'd be hard to find.

MA resolves things for a time, until the next new information comes to light, and everything relevant about a topic will eventually be listed under it.

 

[1001001]

But hasn't that been what the TrekBBS has been since 2001, when Enterprise premiered?

I suppose it’s a matter of degree.

There are lots of other threads here, and lots of other forums (e.g. Sports, TV&Media, Sci-Fi) that address a wide number of interests. There are LOTS of things to talk about besides Star Trek canon/continuity.

I’ve never looked at Memory Beta that I can recall. Memory Alpha…the ads are so intrusive it’s a terrible user experience.

 

[Lord Garth]

And had Trek BBS existed at the time we'd probably be arguing something in DS9 violated canon as laid down by TNG, or TNG violating TOS Canon. We really are an argumentative bunch when it comes to our perceptions of canon.

Yes and no. It became worse once ENT came into the picture.

But, actual argument I had with someone on the board in 1999. I'm paraphrasing here and shortening it up for brevity, but this was basically how it went...

Poster: "On DS9, they blew up 4,000% of the fleet!"
Me: "What are you talking about?"
Poster: "The fleet only had 40 ships in BOBW!"
Me: "Starfleet has tens of thousands of ships! Look at the registry numbers!"
Poster: "There aren't tens of thousands of ships!"
Me: "Then DS9 is right, and TNG was wrong."
Poster: "In an argument between TNG and DS9, TNG is always right."

On-and-on, back-and-forth. 'Til the thread hit 100 posts and was closed.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I was an early contributor to Memory Beta, going back to the days when it was called "The Non-Canon Star Trek Wiki", and posted there extensively. It was once a fun community that was friendly and collaborative and communicative. Those days, sadly, are long gone.

 

[HotRod]

Yes and no. It became worse once ENT came into the picture.

But, actual argument I had with someone on the board in 1999. I'm paraphrasing here and shortening it up for brevity, but this was basically how it went...

Poster: "On DS9, they blew up 4,000% of the fleet!"
Me: "What are you talking about?"
Poster: "The fleet only had 40 ships in BOBW!"
Me: "Starfleet has tens of thousands of ships! Look at the registry numbers!"
Poster: "There aren't tens of thousands of ships!"
Me: "Then DS9 is right, and TNG was wrong."
Poster: "In an argument between TNG and DS9, TNG is always right."

On-and-on, back-and-forth. 'Til the thread hit 100 posts and was closed.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Yes and no. It became worse once ENT came into the picture.

But, actual argument I had with someone on the board in 1999. I'm paraphrasing here and shortening it up for brevity, but this was basically how it went...

Poster: "On DS9, they blew up 4,000% of the fleet!"
Me: "What are you talking about?"
Poster: "The fleet only had 40 ships in BOBW!"
Me: "Starfleet has tens of thousands of ships! Look at the registry numbers!"
Poster: "There aren't tens of thousands of ships!"
Me: "Then DS9 is right, and TNG was wrong."
Poster: "In an argument between TNG and DS9, TNG is always right."

On-and-on, back-and-forth. 'Til the thread hit 100 posts and was closed.

Whoa! Do you mean The Trek BBS, or a different site?

 

[Lord Garth]

Whoa! Do you mean The Trek BBS, or a different site?

TrekBBS. GTD Forum.

Same shit, different decade.

 

[Enterprise1701]

TrekBBS. GTD Forum.

Same shit, different decade.

Aha, not content still available on the current version, eh?

 

[Lord Garth]

Aha, not content still available on the current version, eh?

Almost everything before 2007 has been pruned. It both annoys me and makes me thankful at the same time.

EDITED TO ADD: Take that argument I posted above. If it were today (or if it were even just a few years later), I would've hit him with point after point after point, instead of just saying, "TNG was wrong!" "There were tens of thousands of ships!"

 

[HotRod]

Almost everything before 2007 has been pruned. It both annoys me and makes me thankful at the same time

Does that include older usernames? I've racked my brain trying to remember what my username was back in the day.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Almost everything before 2007 has been pruned. It both annoys me and makes me thankful at the same time.

EDITED TO ADD: Take that argument I posted above. If it were today (or if it were even just a few years later), I would've hit him with point after point after point, instead of just saying, "TNG was wrong!" "There were tens of thousands of ships!"

And how many lights are there?

 

[Lord Garth]

Does that include older usernames? I've racked my brain trying to remember what my username was back in the day.

I think it does. It depends. I left for a while and my account was pruned.

 

[Tosk]

So are the pointless arguments at Memory Alpha better, worse, or the same as the ones in this thread?

 

[1001001]

So are the pointless arguments at Memory Alpha better, worse, or the same as the ones in this thread?

Same quality, higher volume.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Arguments here don't lead to a resolution (aside from locking a thread, censoring spoilers, and penalizing people who are out of order). Arguments on Memory Alpha determine site policy and entry content, so something comes of it (subject to later change/updates).

Arguments here derive from questions asked and answered out of curiosity, imagination and debate. Arguments there arise from true and false statements (what was/wasn't said/implied/intended) about the work in question, how to format a page, how to categorize things, whether something even deserves an article, whether two articles should be one, or one should be split.

 

[Lord Exor]

I realised my idea of Star Trek wasn't mainstream enough for those sites long ago. Although I recall editing the pages for the Kelvinverse Enterprise and Constitution-class during the Starship Size Argument wars.

What do you mean by this?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Same quality, higher volume.

That was my experience, basically, yeah.

 

[Kor]

Besides MA and MB, there are a myriad of fan wikis hosted on fandom.com for just about everything from DC Comics to My Little Pony to The Jetsons to K-pop. I totally get that it's a free platform to run a fan wiki on; no costs for hosting or whatever. But as an end user I generally can't stand any of them because of the site design; big, intrusive ads, annoying auto-play videos, and the "feed" at the bottom that's cluttered with a bunch of stuff not relevant at all to the topic that I'm trying to read about.

Kor

 

[Enterprise1701]

I didn't know we could contribute.

How do you mean?