Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[HotRod]

It’s beautiful (YMMV)
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11545243-the-enterprise-f-remaster

The Titan grew on me, and I liked the Eleos and Intrepid....

But the more I see the Enterprise-F, the more I dislike it.

I honestly don't see the appeal. I'm happy for those that like it, but for me it will always be the ugly Enterprise that they were too lazy (or broke/time crunched) to design themselves.

 

[Tuskin38]

can't believe they ''trashed'' that design for that inferior G screw matalas for that one

 

[Markonian]

can't believe they ''trashed'' that design for that inferior G screw matalas for that one

Matalas explained in an interview they wanted the new Enterprise to be a scrappy. I can accept it in universe but I dislike the Connie III design. (The Shangri La, imho is sensible, however).

I like to think that the E-G is decommissioned in 2408 and replaced by the E-F returning to service under Captain Shon.

 

[Ronald Held]

Probably a new controversial thread of the ugliest Enterprise.

 

[Enterprise1701]

For my part, I have developed a stronger appreciation for the Odyssey class since its transition to canon.
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1647687502851981313

 

[HotRod]

I've still yet to hear a half decent explanation for why they didn't just use the Enterprise-E, a ship we actually care about and has a connection to the Next Gen crew, and had her replaced by the Enterprise-F/Titan.

Not only would we have gotten to see the Ent-E, but we would also have gotten to see another Enterprise that lasted more than a few years.

 

[fireproof78]

The Titan grew in me, and I liked the Eleos and Intrepid....

But the more I see the Enterprise-F, the more I dislike it.

I honestly don't see the appeal. I'm happy for those that like it, but for me it will always be the ugly Enterprise that they were too lazy (or broke/time crunched) to design themselves.

The Odessey class does not appeal to me. The front end look is just so blocky.

I've still yet to hear a half decent explanation for why they didn't just use the Enterprise-E, a ship we actually care about and has a connection to the Next Gen crew, and had her replaced by the Enterprise-F/Titan.

They don't talk about it with outsiders, or something like that.

Also, I recall hearing for years that the TNG Enterprise was the 1701-D and the E was never as good. It's so interesting to see the dynamic shift.

But, I say that as someone completely unconnected to the 1701-D, or the E, and like the CON III design.

 

[Macintosh]

I've still yet to hear a half decent explanation for why they didn't just use the Enterprise-E, a ship we actually care about and has a connection to the Next Gen crew, and had her replaced by the Enterprise-F/Titan.

Matalas said that they used the F as a "love letter" to Star Trek Online fans and to avoid completely decanonising the STO F, but he's also conceded that maybe they should have gone ahead and used the E after all. It was on Twitter and I thought I'd bookmarked it but I can't find it now.

 

[Markonian]

Not only would we have gotten to see the Ent-E, but we would also have gotten to see another Enterprise that lasted more than a few years.

Agreed. Ideally, we would’ve seen the Enterprise-E decommissioned and the F launched, and the Titan-A escapes having it’s name and deeds stricken from records.

 

[Racefuel]

Agreed. Ideally, we would’ve seen the Enterprise-E decommissioned and the F launched, and the Titan-A escapes having it’s name and deeds stricken from records.

In military terms when a ship, base or unit is renamed honorably, the history is recorded as part of the ships logs and battle history.

Titan-A's history as an individual ship be included in both the historical background for the Enterprise-G and the Titan-B.

There wouldn't be an erasure.

 

[El Maestro]

For my part, I have developed a stronger appreciation for the Odyssey class since its transition to canon.
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1647687502851981313

It would be better without that nonsensical hole in the middle! The more I look at it the more it seems like from a design perspective it would fit better between the D and E...

 

[El Maestro]

In military terms when a ship, base or unit is renamed honorably, the history is recorded as part of the ships logs and battle history.

Titan-A's history as an individual ship be included in both the historical background for the Enterprise-G and the Titan-B.

There wouldn't be an erasure.

Yes, I am not sure why the "the Titan and her deeds are ERASED" meme is so persistent.

 

[Enterprise1701]

In military terms when a ship, base or unit is renamed honorably, the history is recorded as part of the ships logs and battle history.

Titan-A's history as an individual ship be included in both the historical background for the Enterprise-G and the Titan-B.

There wouldn't be an erasure.

I find it hackneyed to graft two disparate names together.

Agreed. Ideally, we would’ve seen the Enterprise-E decommissioned and the F launched, and the Titan-A escapes having it’s name and deeds stricken from records.

Indeed. Let the Sovereign-class 1701-E be retired in 2401 after multiple decades of meritorious service, and award Captain Seven of Nine an upgrade to the new Odyssey class 1701-F in 2402 for her valour against the Borg invasion.

 

[El Maestro]

I find it hackneyed to graft two disparate names together.

It seems to me that they wanted to do a nice thing (recognize STO players/fans) but in doing so just bought themselves an awkward situation with a clunky solution. I'm not that upset about it either way, and even though I prefer the Con III to the Odyssey design, given enough time we can get used to anything, I think.

 

[Tuskin38]

that nonsensical hole in the middle

I don't know what is nonsensical about it. Makes it unique.

The two necks are thicker than the Galaxy's, or at least close to it.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like the 1701-F. I didn't at first. At all. Now it's a cool design.

 

[El Maestro]

I don't know what is nonsensical about it. Makes it unique.

The two necks are thicker than the Galaxy's, or at least close to it.

It's non-sensical because:

1. It serves no functional design purpose for a vessel that operates chiefly in space. It would make much more sense if it were an issue of aero- or hydrodynamics but it isn't.
2. I can't help but think that in an emergency where it is crucial to move about from one part of the vessel to another, especially from primary to secondary hull and vice versa, it would add time because you need to be able to move laterally to where the two parts of the ship connect, and time is one of the most precious resources in an emergency.

From an aesthetic standpoint I guess it's fine? The main deflector looks like eyes, though, and that's also kind of weird!

 

[Tuskin38]

it would add time because you need to be able to move laterally to where the two parts of the ship connect, and time is one of the most precious resources in an emergency.

I mean, you have to do the same a ship with one neck. look how wide the galaxy class saucer is, from the outer rooms you'd have to move inward to the centre neck.

With two necks you have two options to use as evac.

 

[El Maestro]

And now the more I look at it it seems like the overriding design philosophy was "The Enterprise E but different enough that we'll be allowed to use it, and also WALL-E"

 

[Tuskin38]