U.S.S. Enterprise, NCC-1701-J

[C.E. Evans]

But wouldn’t a historian enthusiast get a small quantum slipstream ship and fly the entire route?

Oh sure--if slipstream was widely available. There was no mention of slipstream drive in PIC--which means either the tech was limited to a small number of ships or had been completely abandoned by 2399 or so. It wouldn't be the first time that Federation ditched what would otherwise seem to be a game-changing invention (maybe it was discovered that slipstream gradually turns people into giraffes over time, I dunno). If the tech was simply more limited in use due to very rare materials needed to make it work, then recreating the Voyager's trek through the Delta Quadrant just for historical confirmation would probably be a more difficult proposition...

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

But wouldn’t a historian enthusiast get a small quantum slipstream ship and fly the entire route?

They probably already have those in the future =D.

 

[publiusr]

I liked this Enterprise-J concept---but it looks more PICARD era
https://startrekships.tumblr.com/image/85649487633

Erifah had a nearer term version
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/1548181159093896/


Without a secondary hull, Ent-J and NX-01 resembled each other---showing continuity.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I liked this Enterprise-J concept---but it looks more PICARD era
https://startrekships.tumblr.com/image/85649487633

https://startrekships.tumblr.com/image/85649487633
I love that John Eaves design, i would want to bring it into reality as a High-Speed Luxury Cruise Yacht..

Erifah had a nearer term version
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/1548181159093896/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/1548181159093896/
Not a fan of the StarDrive proportions, looks really odd and not as much of a homage to Doug Drexler's design.

Without a secondary hull, Ent-J and NX-01 resembled each other---showing continuity.

That was the original point, but if you are going to be a USS Enterprise, you'll need a StarDrive section.
You can't ignore the rest of the USS Enterprise's lineage.

The neck part is arguable, but the StarDrive isn't.

 

[publiusr]

That was the original point, but if you are going to be a USS Enterprise, you'll need a StarDrive section.

There was an Ent-J called Phoenix that had an elegant stardrive
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/Phoenix_56/entj.jpg
Ryan Boulanger's I think

The great photobucket culling killed it.

I have a print-out I just need a scanner.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

There was an Ent-J called Phoenix that had an elegant stardrive
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/Phoenix_56/entj.jpg
Ryan Boulanger's I think

The great photobucket culling killed it.

I have a print-out I just need a scanner.

That's a nicer looking one.

 

[Macintosh]

Almost 20 years ago, we got a glimpse of the Enterprise-J and since then, a lot of developers have created their own take on the design we saw.

One in particular stands out for me though. OTOY recently created its own design as part of The Roddenberry Archive.

You can see a clearer shot in their YouTube clip here.

They gave the ship a transparent hull and you can see what appears to be a landscape with trees, water, etc. I was blown away by such a creative design.

What do you think? Do you like it? Is it practical?

I wouldn't mind seeing this in a Trek production someday.

Made me think of a Starfleet equivalent of a GSV from Iain M Banks's Culture novels.

The question is – why wouldn't an arbitrarily advanced future starship intended for intergalactic travel look like this? I was delighted with this redesign of the concept.

 

[Macintosh]

Doug Drexler posted on Facebook about how the RA -J was a mistake and not at all how he envisioned the ship. He hopes they'll "fix" it with the next update.

Because a starship interior that's just a gigantic endless maze of beige corridors and rooms is much more preferable?

If I recall correctly Drexler said he wanted the ship to contain entire cities and even have its own universities. Just sounds like he's whining that someone realised his own concept better than he did.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Because a starship interior that's just a gigantic endless maze of beige corridors and rooms is much more preferable?

It's a more efficient use of finite volume.

If I recall correctly Drexler said he wanted the ship to contain entire cities and even have its own universities. Just sounds like he's whining that someone realised his own concept better than he did.

That works well for a StarBase, not so much for a StarShip.

Go watch Macross Frontier and look at Island Frontier.

Spoiler: Macross Frontier -> 'Island 1's scale compared to "Macross 7" 'City 7's Colonization Ship

City 7 is just a small DownTown mounted in a colonization ship.
Island 1 is FAR larger, it's like a whole metro area / small county.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Because a starship interior that's just a gigantic endless maze of beige corridors and rooms is much more preferable?

If I recall correctly Drexler said he wanted the ship to contain entire cities and even have its own universities. Just sounds like he's whining that someone realised his own concept better than he did.

He's got a very rigid idea of right and wrong in Trek (he considers Disco an AU, for example) so it's understandable he'd be unhappy when they took his creation in a different direction to what he envisioned.

 

[Macintosh]

He's got a very rigid idea of right and wrong in Trek (he considers Disco an AU, for example) so it's understandable he'd be unhappy when they took his creation in a different direction to what he envisioned.

He has a very rigid idea about a great many things. I've found him to be a... difficult person in general.

 

[NCC-73515]

He was quite nice when I met him
Who doesn't have 'rigid' ideas about their own creations?

 

[thribs]

I love the idea of this ship. A ship purely designed to go to other galaxies with the purpose to explore and if possible, colonise. Hence why its a Universe Class vessel.
According to Drexler the ship is seen to be a "country in space". As to the D being seen as a "city in space". With that in mind it would have it would have its own independent Starfleet Academy where it would train the next generation of Starfleet officers while on the ship.
The ship would be one of the first to have a "trans slipstream" drive which would allow it to travel to other galaxies in a matter of weeks. Similar to the intergalactic hyperdrives you see in Stargate.

I would speculate that not only would the ship have a captain, but also a governor type person. Some who is elected to represent the whole crew of the ship. The captain would be in charge of the ship operations.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Isn't that just a slipstream drive that makes conservatives uncomfortable?

 

[thribs]

Isn't that just a slipstream drive that makes conservatives uncomfortable?

No. It’s just the next stage of slipstream. Like how transwarp was the next stage of warp.

 

[Macintosh]

It's a more efficient use of finite volume.

So much for "technology unchained" I guess

That works well for a StarBase, not so much for a StarShip.

How parochial. What's your point?

Go watch Macross Frontier and look at Island Frontier.

Spoiler: Macross Frontier -> 'Island 1's scale compared to "Macross 7" 'City 7's Colonization Ship

City 7 is just a small DownTown mounted in a colonization ship.
Island 1 is FAR larger, it's like a whole metro area / small county.

Go read Iain M Banks and find out what General Systems Vehicles are capable of.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Go read Iain M Banks and find out what General Systems Vehicles are capable of.

I read up on them, they're pretty large.
But what I don't understand is why did they decide to abandon life living on a planet?

 

[Macintosh]

I read up on them, they're pretty large.

Large, extremely fast, and arguably the most powerful spacecraft in science fiction. The most advanced are over 200km long and have crews of billions.

But what I don't understand is why did they decide to abandon life living on a planet?

Because they'd rather preserve planets as natural wildernesses, and they regard Orbitals as a more efficient way of creating and managing huge amounts of living space. A typical Orbital has a mass of around 0.1% that of Earth but ten times the surface area. And, perhaps more importantly, simply because they can.