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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Ethros said:
Yeah. Completely missed what I was getting at there. And it’s really not something to be proud of. It’s actually quite disgusting.
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I know what you are getting at--and it is a good point. If you think Ms. Marvel wasn't for you because you aren't the demographic, but you do watch Spider-Man regardless then there are only two glaring reasons why you wouldn't be the right demographic. And we've already had this discussion regarding Captain Marvel, so what could it be I wonder? :whistle:

eschaton said:
Phase 4 was full of origin stories where they really should have had a smaller-scope story but completely blew out the scope for no particular reason.
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I agree. Both Ms. Marvel and Moon Knight suffered from this. On the movie side, Shang-Chi would have rated much higher on my list if it had left out the ten rings.
 
Nerys Myk said:
Ms. Marvel?
I'm not either one. But I enjoyed looking into a culture I know little about, even if through the lens of a superhero show. I also found Kamala relatable. Spoke to my teenage self.
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When I refer to a "target audience", I'm referring more to new viewers that they're trying to bring into the fold, rather than viewers who are already invested in the overall tapestry.
 
Its definitely possible to enjoy shows that you aren't the target demographic for. I haven't been the "Target Demographic" for Power Rangers in 20 years for example, but I still love the franchise.

Now, I personally couldn't stand to watch more then 5 minutes of Ms. Marvel, its the only MCU thing I'm completely unable to tolerate watching (I also extremely dislike the comic version, to be fair), but I'm glad it was made for the people who enjoyed it, and I'm sure that The Marvels will give Kamala all the backstory she'll need for the movie. I might even like Kamala in the movie (I like Tom Holland's Spider-Man, even though I thought he first two movies were terrible), but even if I don't its just one movie/MCU story branch. You don't actually have to watch all the MCU stuff, outside of a direct sequel like Endgame the movies are all built to explain characters that might be new to the audience, and I'm sure skipping a MCU show won't really effect someone's enjoyment of 99% of the future MCU.
 
Christopher said:
I'm in my mid-50s. If I limited myself to only watching things "targeted" at my demographic, I'd be stuck watching NCIS and Dancing with the Stars.
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The Nth Doctor said:
Yeah, I'm not the target audience either but I loved the whole show, despite a few missteps.
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I'm not the target audience for a few of my favorite shows. I learned a long time ago to stop worrying about that kind of thing, and just watch anything that interests me.
 
And the target audience of She-Hulk is women who are pissed off at toxic masculinity. I'm not part of that demographic either but I enjoyed it all the same.

If we're only going to watch shows about the kinds of people we were born to be then our consumption of art and entertainment narrows somewhat. I was never a 19 year old woman raised by two feminists, but I still enjoy Frankenstein.

By that logic, no Muslim, Hindu, Asian, Black American (European, Canadian, etc), African should enjoy watching over 95% of popular media.

Christopher said:
Yeah -- nobody ever said a target audience had to be the exclusive audience.
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However, people in this thread are saying that they didn't give Ms. Marvel a try because they are not the target audience.

kirk55555 said:
Its definitely possible to enjoy shows that you aren't the target demographic for. I haven't been the "Target Demographic" for Power Rangers in 20 years for example, but I still love the franchise.

Now, I personally couldn't stand to watch more then 5 minutes of Ms. Marvel, its the only MCU thing I'm completely unable to tolerate watching (I also extremely dislike the comic version, to be fair), but I'm glad it was made for the people who enjoyed it, and I'm sure that The Marvels will give Kamala all the backstory she'll need for the movie. I might even like Kamala in the movie (I like Tom Holland's Spider-Man, even though I thought he first two movies were terrible), but even if I don't its just one movie/MCU story branch. You don't actually have to watch all the MCU stuff, outside of a direct sequel like Endgame the movies are all built to explain characters that might be new to the audience, and I'm sure skipping a MCU show won't really effect someone's enjoyment of 99% of the future MCU.
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I know you and I have strongly disagreed in the past, but I enjoy and respect you taking the time to write these nuanced takes you've been posting recently. I liked many aspects of Ms. Marvel even though it had some serious flaws, but I like that you've differentiated the character and actress from the series itself.
 
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I enjoyed Ms Marvel - I'm a 60 year old white guy.

To be honest, culturally MM felt more familiar than a lot of American shows. I come from a very mixed area - was at school and uni with Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi people, live amongst many local Asian corner shops, lots of restaurants and food outlets. I eat a lot of Asian and Asian inspired food.

The culture, the accents, the cuisine, it all seems very familiar, albeit on the other side of the atlantic.
 
theenglish said:
However, people in this thread are saying that they didn't give Ms. Marvel a try because they are not the target audience.
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Mmm, no, I just reviewed the last few pages of the thread, and not one person here actually said that. The closest thing is Starkers saying in posts #12053 and #12060 that they had put off watching Ms. Marvel because of its target audience, but fully intended to watch it before The Marvels came out. Everyone else here who's mentioned the concept of a target audience, myself included, has been saying that we watched it and other things despite not being the theoretical targets.
 
theenglish said:
By your logic, no Muslim, Hindu, Asian, Black American (European, Canadian, etc), African should enjoy watching over 95% of popular media.
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:rolleyes:

I inferred no such thing. In fact, I think it's pretty clear from what I said that I actively sought the show out, enjoyed it greatly and I'm recommending it to others because I'm part of the group mentioned in my subsequent post that is already invested in the larger tapestry. And, as Christopher correctly stated, target audience does not mean exclusive audience.
 
Turtletrekker said:
:rolleyes:

I inferred no such thing. In fact, I think it's pretty clear from what I said that I actively sought the show out, enjoyed it greatly and I'm recommending it to others because I'm part of the group mentioned in my subsequent post that is already invested in the larger tapestry. And, as Christopher correctly stated, target audience does not mean exclusive audience.
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I apologize for quoting your post in my reply. I looked back and I thought I was responding to somebody else. I deleted your quoted response from my post. I'm aware that target audience does not mean exclusive audience, and my response was meant to reinforce that difference. I meant to be responding to the idea that some were saying they weren't the "target" audience and didn't initially check out the series because of that. That is the idea that got under my skin.
 
theenglish said:
I meant to be responding to the idea that some were saying they weren't the "target" audience and didn't initially check out the series because of that. That is the idea that got under my skin.
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Why? Starkers had already made it clear that they did plan to watch it; the target-audience thing only made them prioritize it less, not avoid it altogether. Why does it matter if someone chooses to watch the shows in a different order?
 
Ethros said:
Yeah. Completely missed what I was getting at there. And it’s really not something to be proud of. It’s actually quite disgusting.
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Sorry. I also loved Ms. Marvel. I just meant I don't care about what demographic something is aimed at. I love Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur too.
 
Christopher said:
Why? Starkers had already made it clear that they did plan to watch it; the target-audience thing only made them prioritize it less, not avoid it altogether. Why does it matter if someone chooses to watch the shows in a different order?
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I apologize if I read the wrong intention into it.
 
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