You know they're nuts! It's a great episode. Plus, Michael Ansara!
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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The Day of the Dove is actually among the TOS episodes I really like.
Likely controversial but am sure I'm not alone: I really enjoy Neelix
You aren't alone. My wife and I really like Neelix. We were both very happy he got a happy ending. (Or an ending at all, at least before the current era.)
Sure. If nothing else, he’s the nicest person on the ship.
It is a SUPERB episode. I might watch it this afternoon.
I am really surprised to hear that. I thought the general consensus was that it’s a season 3 high point but I am not totally familiar.
I like it a lot.
Captain Picard was still totally in-character for Star Trek: First Contact and Action Hero Picard is the same man from TNG. Don't forget Kirk was an action hero going bare knuckle with Gorn before Picard was in Diapers! There is nothing wrong with a starship captain being physically fit and capable of surviving a lot of physical punishment and stress. Did you see what Picard went through when he was tortured by the cardassians? Picard was always a badass. Just because he is intelligent and empathetic doesn't mean he can't punch or shoot his way out of a problem if he has to.
Well said! Picard used to run marathons and wrestle in his youth, and we see him fencing, horse riding, playing racquetball, and practicing in the ship's firing range well into his 60s. In "Samaritan Snare" his heart surgeon says that Picard "exhibits extraordinary physical condition". Aside from the torture in "Chains of Command" we see him undergoing rigorous physical training alongside Crusher and Worf for his secret mission. And let's not forget Picard going all John McClane in "Starship Mine".
Or doing really well walking the desert in "Final Mission".
Picard was not a slouch.
Picard was not a slouch.
Well not exactly bare knuckle, there was a bamboozooka involved.
Word.
TBF that was a bit of a pivot as well.
None of these examples are "things Picard could / would never do". But they do ring a bit of "Patrick Stewart is tired of speeches."
I thought it was a rudimentary lathe?Well not exactly bare knuckle, there was a bamboozooka involved.
It's still not as weird as Shatner/Kirk deciding to climb El Capitan in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier just to prove how young and vital he still was...
That, in turn, is not as weird as Shatner explaining why he is climbing the mountain.
Hmmm. Kirk was always the super heroic ultra competent STARSHIP CAPTAIN. I mean, if you think we're meant to believe that SHATNER was climbing the mountain, um, sure? Maybe an actor's ego thing? Shatner was always concerned about Kirk looking good, but then so was everybody else. Maybe Shatner shouldn't have wanted Kirk to do everything. But everyone else wanted Kirk to do ALMOST everything.
Shatner was 58. (And even though it was seven years from Wrath of Khan for Shatner it was only months for Kirk. So Kirk is still 50-ish.) Tom Cruise is currently 60, btw. If Tom Cruise can, well, do all the Tom Cruise things then James T. Kirk certainly can. Even if William Shatner can't.
James T. Kirk took down Gary Mitchell! (Look him up!)
This video needs to be excised from everywhere it exists. It's too painful, and it can't be unseen once you have experienced it.
It's a lot like the version of "Ilia's Theme" with lyrics ("A Star Beyond Time")....which almost permanently ruined that otherwise beautiful piece of music for me forever.
That never struck me as weird. It's not your age, it's your condition. Compare William Shatner in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier to Roger Moore in A View to a Kill. They were both 58 at the time their respective movies were released. William Shatner was in much better shape than Roger Moore.
Still is. (Too soon?)
It's only bad when I start singing the words when I hear it.It's a lot like the version of "Ilia's Theme" with lyrics ("A Star Beyond Time")....which almost permanently ruined that otherwise beautiful piece of music for me forever.
I think there are two types of TOS Fans: The ones who look at the TOS Movies and think Kirk looks old, and the ones who look at TOS the TV Show and think Kirk looks young.
I started with the TOS Movies, so Movie Kirk is my "default" Kirk. That's the normal Kirk, to me. Looking a Kirk in TOS itself, I think "That's the young Kirk!" I also wanted to see more of Kirk in the '90s, so I was more apt to think of him as he would've been in the "present" at that time.
I started with the TOS Movies, so Movie Kirk is my "default" Kirk. That's the normal Kirk, to me. Looking a Kirk in TOS itself, I think "That's the young Kirk!" I also wanted to see more of Kirk in the '90s, so I was more apt to think of him as he would've been in the "present" at that time.
Ha! Yes. I remember thinking it was so weird that TOS Kirk had straight blonde hair and movie Kirk had dark curly hair (or at least it kind of looked like that). I was a kid and really fixated on that random thing.
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