Picard continuation to film
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It is indeed my personal preference that we never see the TNG cast again. I say this because I think it is bad when stories are trapped in an eternal middle and never end -- bad for artistic merit, and bad for audiences because part of the job of art is to help us process our emotions and experiences in real life, and in real life things end and we have to be able to cope with that.
Ok! This is much easier to engage with...
I understand your point that things end and that we have to be able to cope with that. I would offer that in addition, we age and our lives change, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. We have our "glory days" and they end. Sometimes we chase the glory again. Sometimes we even get it for a short time! But is it real? The same? How long will it last? What is the effect of time on our lives? What happens when we have experiences in our lives that hurt us, wear on us, break us, and then we still have to pick ourselves up and deal with the present? TWOK, GEN, and PIC all tried to deal with this (and by this, I mean that they were trying to help us process as you say) to varying degrees of success. Before the end there are real things that happen. This is interesting and can make good entertainment if done well. Maybe the well is dry!
Here's some actual proof that the designers at least thought they had to be redesigning things to be 25% different. It's an image from a book that Eaves had coming out at the time, but I don't think it made the final product. This pic comes from TrekCore's twitter feed.
https://i.imgur.com/Z7RiAZe.jpg
At this point in time, for sure they were going for a visual reboot. For sure Picard Season 3 seemed determined to honour the legacy ships of Star Trek, without re-imagining them.
DANG! I retract my "urban legend" comment for sure then.
Indeed, from what I understand the 25% guideline was true at least for some thing, it just wasn’t for legal reasons.
TUC had Kirk and his Enterprise crew facing the Klingons and saving the day one last time, with the Excelsior backing them up. The Empire that had been the Federation's enemy could no longer continue as it was. General Chang represented the Old Ways and fought to the death while Atezbur who represented the New Way, ushered in change.
PIC Season 3 had Picard and his Enterprise crew facing the Borg and saving the day one last time, with the Titan backing them up. The Collective that had been the Federation's enemy could no longer continue as it was. The Alice Krige Borg Queen represented the Old Ways and fought to the death while the Jurati Borg Queen (though unseen here) represents the New Ways, ushering in change.
Along the broad strokes, they accomplished what they set out do and made this "TNG's Star Trek VI". The TNG Films were cut short after Nemesis and PIC Season 3 saved face in the same way that TUC saved face for TOS after TFF. I think this works as an ending for the entire TNG crew together.
Anyway, TFF, NEM... Forget the "Even/Odd" Curse. There's a "Divisible by Five" Curse.
PIC Season 3 had Picard and his Enterprise crew facing the Borg and saving the day one last time, with the Titan backing them up. The Collective that had been the Federation's enemy could no longer continue as it was. The Alice Krige Borg Queen represented the Old Ways and fought to the death while the Jurati Borg Queen (though unseen here) represents the New Ways, ushering in change.
Along the broad strokes, they accomplished what they set out do and made this "TNG's Star Trek VI". The TNG Films were cut short after Nemesis and PIC Season 3 saved face in the same way that TUC saved face for TOS after TFF. I think this works as an ending for the entire TNG crew together.
Anyway, TFF, NEM... Forget the "Even/Odd" Curse. There's a "Divisible by Five" Curse.
It doesn't really matter what Trekkies think in regards to a film. What matters is whether or not the film will have mass audience appeal, and I'm sorry, I just don't see a bunch of "20 somethings" lining up to see a cast of people in their 70's and 80's go on a "moderately priced space adventure".
Your only hope is for such a film to be like the Yeoh Section 31 project. There are other Trek iterations and stories unique to them, worthy of one-off events. The success of Picard Season 3 obviously has the advantage of potentially making it happen next.
This 100%. Picard appealed to TNG fans, period. The percentage of new viewers is likely infinitesimal. We all watched it because it brought back a fun part of our childhood. Heck, that's why Matalas made it! A TNG cast film at the box office would be an Ishtar level disaster. And yes, those of us who watched Picard because it brought back a fun part of our childhood will know what that means!
As someone once said: all good things must come to an end.
Yep. If (and that’s a big if right now) PiC is a launchpad for anything I suspect it will be a Legacy or Captain Seven thing. I don’t think we’ll see a full on TNG cast movie, and if we do it’ll certainly be streaming and not a theatrical release. But! Never underestimate execs making baffling decisions….
If they make another Star Trek movie for theaters, I'm 99.999% sure it'll be a re-reboot. And this time they'll take more liberties. Some people don't realize this because they were too busy getting outraged, but JJ Abrams used kid gloves. Hopefully the next person will make a movie I like better. Something on the level of the new Dune. But probably not.
Never is a LONG time. "Never say never." But in the current era and current environment, no, I don't think we'll see another Star Trek movie in theaters either.
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The very notion of movies in the theatre is dying, and Covid accelerated it. I think in about two decades, it'll be done. TVs will be things you paste to your wall and their size will be unlimited. No more having to leave the house to have a cinematic experience.
Do you want to know why I don't usually go the cinema anymore? There's no other way for me to say it than to say it: Because they won't stop making so many fucking comic book movies. And I'm also not the target audience for Pixar movies or live-action remakes of old Disney films. If they made movies where the target audience wasn't just children or teenagers, then more of us would go to the movies. I can't be the only one who thinks that.
I don't care how big the TV Screen is, it's not the same as the Big Screen.
I think cinema will always be around. Those big event movies like Top Gun, The Marvel Movies, etc.... Avatar 2 and Super Mario for example, show there is a lot of money to be made.
Your post got me looking into box office performance over the years...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264429/global-box-office-revenue-by-region/
https://gower.st/articles/global-box-office-records-best-quarter-since-2019-8-billion-q1-2023/
Oh, I'm happy to be open-minded and think big when it comes to Trek. I'd love it the Tarantino movie came to fruition, for instance, unlike many others. That would be exciting and different, a bold step for Trek.
The problem is that I think a TNG film is the antithesis of thinking big. It's by far the most-exposed cast and just had a season dedicated to giving it a send off.
To go back to that well yet again is thinking small in my view, and will only result in diminishing returns.
Was kind of fired up about the Tarantino movie just to see how bonkers it would be. I'm sad it won't happen!
indeed, I haven’t been in a cinema since before COVID and I had felt little incentive to go there again so far.
I hate to say it, but I think Star Trek's days at the cinema are over. Trek was great on the big screen when it was the TOS movies, and those were really "events" bringing back a culturally relevant cast and universe that had sort of become legendary since the late 1960's. Star Trek was still pretty rare and special back then (we only had TOS for the most part), so there was a different vibe for audiences going to see a Trek movie.
Now, though, in the age of streaming TV and endless MCU garbage, Trek's viability as a movie franchise has really eroded into almost nothingness. Paramount had a chance to build something in the wake of the JJ Abrams film in 2009, but that opportunity was totally squandered with bad timing and horrible decision making with that franchise. I think we're lucky we even got the 2 follow-up films with how badly Paramount mis-managed things on that front.
Now, though, in the age of streaming TV and endless MCU garbage, Trek's viability as a movie franchise has really eroded into almost nothingness. Paramount had a chance to build something in the wake of the JJ Abrams film in 2009, but that opportunity was totally squandered with bad timing and horrible decision making with that franchise. I think we're lucky we even got the 2 follow-up films with how badly Paramount mis-managed things on that front.
I am saddened to agree...the entire cultural and financial landscape are different in ways that aren't really favorable to Trek.
I also think you're right about the Kelvin movies...a lot of squandered potential! The marketing for Beyond was kind of oddly muted. It's almost like they didn't really believe in it.
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