Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[USS Artorius]

I feel like you are skipping over quite a few examples in Star Trek as a means of proving your point.

If you look at the trapping of Starfleet, from Starfleet Academy to how ranks work, its still structured militarily. Kirk clearly calls Starfleet a "combined service" because that is what it is, a combined military-scientific-exploration service. Only in *one* line does Picard say explicitly, IIRC, that Starfleet is *not* military. Take the hearings and court martial proceedings we've seen in Star Trek..those are all military based, even down to the hearing bell in The First Duty. There are JAG's in Star Trek, in TMP there's a "reserve activation clause", etc. There's "Fleet Admiral Morrow" in TSFS and such.

In DS9 starfleet is divided into "3rd fleet" etc. Those are military force divisions.

Nation States do still exist as part of United Earth because Geordi was born in the African Confederation.

Sorry.

Touche. I did forget some of those. I don't think I was explaining myself properly. What I should have said its highly convenient that many starfleet traditions have their bases on specifically US naval tradition and not of other contemporary military powers such as the UK's Royal Navy or others of historical significance. If the Federation is an international establishment and Starfleet just the military element then it's incredibly co-incidental that their Headquarters are based in San Francisco in the US and so many other canon depictions of Starfleet have so many nods to the US military specifically. Out of universe it makes sense as a relatable concept for the audience and the studio being based in the US but it wouldn't have taken much effort to say another major starfleet establishment was located in a different location on Earth. It's biased. All I'm saying.

 

[USS Artorius]

Perhaps the first Captain can order a number that has some meaning to them, like we can get custom car license plates, as long as they're not used already

That explains the USS Beverly NCC-69420

 

[Nerys Myk]

or that the US absorbs independant nations like the Federation. Th

Didn’t the US “absorb” the Kingdom of Hawaii and the Republic of Texas? Then there are the various Native American Nations who’s lands became part of the United States.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Naaah, it's obviously the Klingons having conquered the engineering section while the Federation holds on in the saucer section.

Break out the claymores!

 

[fireproof78]

 

[Danja]

Were Harry to be promoted, I already have the perfect rant typed up and ready to be posted about canon violations, betrayal, raped childhood and my declaration that I am departing the Fandom.

IMHC:

Harry Kim: "Begging the Admiral's pardon, I'm now a lieutenant."
Janeway: "I've always been used to calling you 'Ensign.' I never thought this day would come."

 

[Danja]

Jeri Ryan on the WGA picket line:

https://twitter.com/jonrog1/status/1655970990692909057?s=19

#writersstrike

 

[USS Artorius]

Didn’t the US “absorb” the Kingdom of Hawaii and the Republic of Texas? Then there are the various Native American Nations who’s lands became part of the United States.

Yes and Great Britain "absorbed" half the globe during the peak of the British Empire. All I was saying was that the comparison of Starfleet to the US Navy is not the most accurate or effective. Compared to Starfleet the US military is like comparing the Enterprise F to a rowing boat. They are not remotely connected and the Technology is incomparable. Any similarities in-universe are either completely co-incidental or would stem from the whims of Cochrane who in a drunken stupor decided it was an ironic joke to found Starfleet Tradition on an organisation that helped trigger World War 3 and the cause of his unfortunate alcoholism. Out of universe as I said before it's a relatable concept for the audience of a US based Studio. If the Phoenix base was located in England would we be following the adventures of the HMS Charles NCC 2023? Ha.

 

[fireproof78]

If the Phoenix base was located in England would we be following the adventures of the HMS Charles NCC 2023?

Sure, why not? Have fun with it.

 

[The Wormhole]

Why is the Syracuse's registry number so low?

All I know is the first number is something other than a zero, therefore it's a proper registry number in my books.

 

[NCC-73515]

That explains the USS Beverly NCC-69420

USS Surprise NCC-6969

 

[USS Artorius]

All I know is the first number is something other than a zero, therefore it's a proper registry number in my books.

*USS Kelvin will remember that.*

 

[Lord Hierarch]

*USS Kelvin will remember that.*

Get back to me when you're canon, bub!

XD.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

USS Kelvin is canon.

 

[USS Artorius]

Get back to me when you're canon, bub!

XD.

How the hell is it not canon, we saw it onscreen in the Prime Timeline before Neros incursion created the Abramsverse lol

 

[cooleddie74]

Yep. It's what at least some ships looked like 21 years before "The Cage(TOS)."

 

[USS Artorius]

USS Kelvin is canon.

Yas like it or not it's canon. I don't know why people complain about it so much when the Discovery is ~700m long and that's supposed to be in the Prime Timeline too. Starfleet does occasionally build a giant starship after all, we must rationalise these giants as having some purpose such as a colony ship or deep space generational explorer. The Federation experiments with ships very often. Take the excelsior class transwarp experiment and the behemoth family friendly Galaxy Class Cruise Ship.. I mean starship. Even that was huge for it's time. I like to think the Prime Timeline Kelvin was a colony ship otherwise why would George Kirk bring his pregnant wife on board?!

 

[Lord Hierarch]

USS Kelvin is canon.

So is the Daedalus but technically not.

How the hell is it not canon, we saw it onscreen in the Prime Timeline before Neros incursion created the Abramsverse lol

Calm your tits, tis a joke about canonicity.

Yep. It's what at least some ships looked like 21 years before "The Cage(TOS)."

I mean the Saladin is a thing if I recall the old kitbashes.

I like to think the Prime Timeline Kelvin was a colony ship otherwise why would George Kirk bring his pregnant wife on board?!

Why the Galaxy indeed.

 

[fireproof78]

. I mean starship. Even that was huge for it's time. I like to think the Prime Timeline Kelvin was a colony ship otherwise why would George Kirk bring his pregnant wife on board?!

She's an officer as well.

 

[Tuskin38]

So is the Daedalus but technically not.

We saw a Daedalus in Sisko's office, the Daedalus Class USS Essex, first mentioned in TNG, is also (barely) seen in Pike's ready room in Strange New Worlds.