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My headcanon is that the Syracuse's saucer section was destroyed in the Dominion War but the secondary hull mostly undamaged, hence Geordi's opportunity to pair it with the Enterprise saucer.
Drive sections are made of meat and saucers sections are made of pie.
Looks to me like the damn Republicans have the whole secondary hull locked up. Hope more crew are in the primary hull or this is headed to the Federation Supreme Court.
Picard: Geordi, why the *beep* does half of this Enterprise-D "rebuild" look like it was made of cardboard?
La Forge: Oh you didn't know did you? The Syracuse was one of those ships like the 1701 that for some reason got a complete interior redesign every few years. The Syracuse was in the "retro" interior design at the time of salvage. Imagine if I grabbed the saucer section of Pike's Enterprise as it looked in 2259 and jammed it into the stardrive section of the USS Defiant as it looked in 2268 when it disappeared in a Tholian web. Like that.
Picard:
Why is the Syracuse's registry number so low? Could it have been a tribute to an older ship but there was no outstanding heroism with the originals demise to warrant a lettered suffix??
Yes I know the reg numbers aren't specifically proven to be chronological but there is clearly an underlying reason why all ships from the 23rd century have 4 digit codes while ships of the 24th have 5. Soon in the early 25th Century we will have an NCC-100000!
Yes I know the reg numbers aren't specifically proven to be chronological but there is clearly an underlying reason why all ships from the 23rd century have 4 digit codes while ships of the 24th have 5. Soon in the early 25th Century we will have an NCC-100000!
That confused me as well but maybe NCC-17744 was an unused registry and Starfleet just stuck the number on the Syracuse because, well, the needs of bureaucracy.
Picard: Geordi, why the *beep* does half of this Enterprise-D "rebuild" look like it was made of cardboard?
La Forge: Oh you didn't know did you? The Syracuse was one of those ships like the 1701 that for some reason got a complete interior redesign every few years. The Syracuse was in the "retro" interior design at the time of salvage. Imagine if I grabbed the saucer section of Pike's Enterprise as it looked in 2259 and jammed it into the stardrive section of the USS Defiant as it looked in 2268 when it disappeared in a Tholian web. Like that.
Picard:
The Shuttle Ride - Extended Edition
Picard:
Geordi I'm 93 years old... Would you be so kind as to give me the short and consise explanation next time. I still can't wrap my head around how there were 3 versions of data and he was lucky enough to cheat death for the second time. I believe my degrading positronic relays have me at a disadvantage.Riker: A little ironic isn't it? Our entire career with Data you were trying to teach him how to be human and you're the one who winds up an android.
Picard: Oh Shut up Will!
It’s low? The only numbers I can remember are 1701 and NX-01.
Naaah, it's obviously the Klingons having conquered the engineering section while the Federation holds on in the saucer section. But because Data said at the end of last episode that the Federation appears to have lost the war for the ship and the zoomed-in-on section of the Master Systems Display that had only showed the neck section throughout the entire season was completely painted red, now half the fandom is complaining that Picard's admission in the teaser of this week's episode that the Klingons only managed to capture the secondary hull is apparently a retcon despite no one ever having said they have ever entered the saucer let alone taken the bridge.
It’s low? The only numbers I can remember are 1701 and NX-01.
Turn in your Nerd Card. Now.
YOU'VE DISGRACED US ALL,
[Ken Yeong Gif] I'll allow it. [/Ken Yeong Gif]
I think we really do have to look at hull registries as not being always sequential, with new ships given much lower hull numbers than older ones at times.
There's a precedent for that in the real world. There are ships in the US Navy with higher hull numbers that have been already commissioned and deployed at sea while there are ships with lower hull numbers that are still "on order."
Nobody can tell me the U.S.S. Grissom was so old that it's NCC-638 registry reflected its actual age. Some ships just use lower, previously unassigned vessel numbers on their hulls.
I don't mind that but I take issue with the US Navy and other modern or historical military organisations always being used as a point of reference or as an explanation for canon contradictions. Starfleet might have used military comparisons in TOS so the audience would have something to relate to, but Starfleet has evolved and changed a lot since it started. Look at TNG, you can't tell me putting kids on a Starship is motivated my a military agenda, or that the US absorbs independant nations like the Federation. The terms 'USS' and 'United Earth' most likely have no in-universe relation to US Navy ships or the US in general. Yes starships carry weapons, yes they have been used in wars - doesn't make them a military organisation. In 1966 the concept of Sci-fi was a lot less refined and a lot less popular. The public needed a comparison of Captain Kirk to the Captain of a US Navy ship. I would argue that we don't need these sorts of obvious relatable nods in modern Sci-fi anymore and if they are in there they shouldnt be taken as a direct link to the contemporary military. Any similarities are co-incidental at best, given the Eugenics wars/world war 3. MAD and all that. As far as we know from canon sources the US Military was all but obliterated by nuclear war as with most of the other international powers and Zefram Cochrane was lucky enough to find a missile that had never been launched. That missile became the first warp ship and boom Star Trek as we know it was born. It is even dubious if the nation states still exist in society in the 23rd/24th/25th centuries. For all we know the United Earth is the name of the single nation to exist on planet earth. Sorry to all you USA patriots out there but it's doubtful anything meaningful from your military was carried over into our Trek aside from the letters USS and rank designations.
I feel like you are skipping over quite a few examples in Star Trek as a means of proving your point.
If you look at the trapping of Starfleet, from Starfleet Academy to how ranks work, its still structured militarily. Kirk clearly calls Starfleet a "combined service" because that is what it is, a combined military-scientific-exploration service. Only in *one* line does Picard say explicitly, IIRC, that Starfleet is *not* military. Take the hearings and court martial proceedings we've seen in Star Trek..those are all military based, even down to the hearing bell in The First Duty. There are JAG's in Star Trek, in TMP there's a "reserve activation clause", etc. There's "Fleet Admiral Morrow" in TSFS and such.
In DS9 starfleet is divided into "3rd fleet" etc. Those are military force divisions.
Nation States do still exist as part of United Earth because Geordi was born in the African Confederation.
Sorry.
Agreed. I won't start a Reg number debate it's been done to death. I was simply asking why the Syracuse's was so, so much lower than the rest of the Galaxy Class fleet, and it doesn't have a letter suffix. For the Miranda and Excelsior it makes sense since they were the 'old reliable' workhorses of the Fleet and most likely built in batches over multiple decades. We never saw any other Galaxies with such low Reg numbers so it remains an anomaly. The Constellation NCC-1017 was a Constitution Class ship but it stands to reason there was a USS Consellation of the Constellation Class too, but not the same registry number and no letter suffix. This could be seen as a tribute and I was speculating that the Syracuse was a tribute to an older starship of the same name, but in this case Starfleet opted to keep the Reg number the same instead of updating it to match other contemporary Starships.
Perhaps the first Captain can order a number that has some meaning to them, like we can get custom car license plates, as long as they're not used already
Esteban: "That was my SAT score in high school."
Starfleet: "Really? You wanna go with that?"
Esteban: "I...I really don't have a lot going on."
Starfleet: "Really? You wanna go with that?"
Esteban: "I...I really don't have a lot going on."
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