Spoilers Are the first two seasons of 'Picard' unnecessary?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Citiprime, Apr 30, 2023.

  1. gvn2fly

    gvn2fly Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Considering events from season 1 are a major part of the season 3 plot I don't think season 1 is unnecessary. I actually really appreciate season 1. I've rewatched it and liked it better the second time and would rewatch it again.

    Season 2, while I found things to like about it I do not think it is good television. First two episodes are fine, there's a mix of good stuff throughout, but there's a lot that's poorly written and nothing is done with the ending. That one I would tell people they could skip and I actually wish I had so I could stop wondering why no one asked Jurati for help during the last 2 episodes (and I don't buy that her scanning an anomaly indefinitely is more important that potentially saving the federation - of which she is a provisional member of). I rewatched season 2 before starting season 3 and I'm honestly not sure I ever want to watch it again.
     
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  2. tomalak301

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    Elnor was kind of a nothing character after his introduction though. He was probably the show's biggest missed opportunity.
     
  3. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Vice Admiral Moderator

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    No, how else you going to explain Picard looking at his dead body?
     
  4. The Wormhole

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  5. Therin of Andor

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    Since the first season takes so much from GR’s setups from “The Questor Tapes” and “Star Trek: Phase II”, I enjoyed Season One TNG very much. Week by week, I enjoyed catching episodes (sent on video by a US penpal).

    I enjoyed all three “Picard” seasons very much. I looked forward to each new episode and was glad to have Amazon Prime Video streaming so I did not have to rely on the airfreighted parcel this time. I loved the mystery of Data’s new daughters, the acting from all the new cast members and homages to the past, such as more Hugh and a proper send-off for Data.

    If I can have all three seasons, why settle for just one?
     
  6. Therin of Andor

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    Because it added to the tension of Picard seeing Beverly again.
     
  7. Lord Garth

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    I don't think the first two seasons are unnecessary, just that each season is largely disconnected. Similar to how the TNG Movies are all disconnected.
     
  8. Kzinti

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    :sigh: i really, really hope not
     
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  9. Richard S. Ta

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    What a silly thread.
     
  10. Lord Garth

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    It's probably a good thing the first Star Trek series didn't come out in the 1890s. "What's wrong with Victorian-looking Star Trek?!"
     
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  11. El Maestro

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    Probably late to this but...

    They're not unnecessary...it just feels like everything is out of order. S3 should've been first. Get the band back together, bring out the ol' E-D so we can see her back in action, kick some butt, and then retire in grace like she did....

    THEN introduce the next phase of JLP's exploits and introduce new characters. But that's just me!
     
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  12. vulcancicada

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    I love her in season 1. I thought she was a great character that season. Season 2 the fighting between her and Seven was annoying (because it was the pandemic and I was trapped in my house fighting with people) and that was all I remember her doing in the season so, she was under-utilised. Season 3 they wrote her as kind of a caricature of herself and I felt like it was unnatural compared to the writing from season 1.
     
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  13. Richard S. Ta

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    I agree with this. Raffi is a combative character and I get that's part of what makes her who she is, but in Season 2 I felt she and Seven were just continually sniping at each other... When I found they had broken up in Season 3 it was less a feeling of sadness and more... well, I can see why that toxic relationship ended.

    There's more to Raffi than sniping, but even in Season 3 we got a bit of it with her and Worf. It seems several dimensions were shaved from the character after Season 1 and a superlative actor like Michelle Hurd was... not wasted as such, but as you say, under-utilised.
     
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  14. somebuddyX

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    It's an interesting question but I personally think with TNG that people should start with Season 3 but skip intermittently back to 1 and 2 occasionally. There's a bunch of good episodes in there but also since they're standalone it doesn't matter what order really. Whereas with Picard because of serialisation it's not the same thing. I have thought about suggesting Picard Season 3 to my mum and dad who haven't seen 1 and 2 (nor have I but watched clips on Youtube) because it sounds like more to their tastes. I watched Game of Thrones Season 7 and 8 with only having seen a bunch of clips of the previous seasons. I did okay.
     
  15. Space Socialist

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    The old optimistic Trek as we know it’s dead. It’s all darkness, a borderline dystopian and xenophobic Federation, characters using violence as the first not last resort, deep-state conspiracies, the whole rotten lot. The entire ‘message’ of Trek 1966-2005 has been ignored, if not deliberately flushed away.
     
  16. Shat Happens

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    I watched S1 but I did not like any character including the bald leading man that resembles Captain Picard from Star Trek. Watching it felt like a chore.

    (The scene with 7 taking control of the Cube was extremely cool and exciting, though. Great stuff. But they promptly did the Decompression Massacre and couldnt 7's reign last more that just A FEW FUKING SECONDS?)

    I ignored S2 but I still watched half of one episode of it because I wanted to see Punk on Bus. That was cool.

    I completely ignored S3 until a few days after the release of the penultimate episode and I saw half the internet amazed at the return of the Enterprise-D so watched that episode and the finale. That at last looked like Star Trek, hooray.

    (I still dont care for the new strange characaters: Raffi, Jack and Riker's wife)

    So I watched the rest of the S3 backwards. It's alright, I'm used to it. I like Star Wars too.
     
  17. fireproof78

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    Nope. Everything in current Trek happened in past Trek. From conspiracies, to violence as a first resort or used as a threat, or darker stories.

    The shows still demonstrate optimism, but it is optimism that must endure and be earned. As Kirk would say, "No, no, Bones, this time we walked out on our own. Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through, struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums."
     
  18. Tuskin38

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    Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks and Prodigy are not any of those things.

    Discovery Season 4 wasn't any of those things either.
     
  19. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    So people aren't allowed to change in your world?

    It's been several decades in universe since we last saw these characters, things happened to the characters off screen.
     
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  20. fireproof78

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    Star Trek characters are not.
     
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