Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Campe]

I would *totally* be down for a Star Trek musical!

As a former musical theater actor, I’d love that. If anyone is going to do it, it’ll be SNW.

 

[Commander Troi]

As a former musical theater actor, I’d love that. If anyone is going to do it, it’ll be SNW.

I should ask Anson about it at Con this June!

 

[Timofnine]

I would *totally* be down for a Star Trek musical!

Virtuoso got pretty close, as did the pre credits scene of Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy .

Strange New Worlds could get away with doing a musical, but they would have to do contemporary 20th/21st century earth song covers.

So jealous that you are going to a convention with Anson Mount @Commander Troi , I have never been to a con as there have not been any near where I live, but I would *love* to one day.

 

[Commander Troi]

Strange New Worlds could get away with doing a musical, but they would have to do contemporary 20th/21st century earth song covers.

Why? They could easily do original songs.

Cons are a lot of fun. We're also having Sonequa Martin-Green, Bill Shatner, and Walter Koenig from ST, as well as Paul Bettany (Vision), Christopher Eccleston (Doctor Who), and others I'm sure I've forgotten. This con (Phoenix Fan Fusion) has been running for 20+ years, starting very small back in the day and now very very large.

ETA: Katee Sackoff is coming too.

 

[NCC-73515]

Virtuoso was great! Bob Picardo has to be part of a Trek musical - perhaps one of those streaming movies?

 

[Commander Troi]

I was thinking about it and I think I really like Jurati's version of the song because it's a little lower and I can sing with it better. I adore Pat Benatar, but she's an opera trained soprano and I'm an untrained alto who can mostly carry a tune.

I haven't seen any of the Voyager eps where Picardo sings but I know he does. Spiner sings of course. Celia Rose Gooding sings. Does anyone know if any other cast members do?

 

[Tallguy]

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[The Wormhole]

Does anyone know if any other cast members do?

We already have Spock and Una singing (in character!) in the Q&A Short Trek.

 

[Commander Troi]

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Country. It fits.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm re-watching some Season 1 episodes of TNG before re-watching PIC. Just finished "Encounter at Farpoint". Mainly, I want the original intentions for the characters fresh in my mind before jumping 30+ years ahead.

 

[Galaxy]

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This complements surprisingly well with sabotage.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

No. Especially since Riker's character in the first episode and his relationship with Picard was wonderful. "I love you, but I don't work for you anymore and I can and will speak my mind."

It was part of a big bucket of moments that were "drama for drama's sake".

That was the moment that I felt really sorry for the crew of the Titan. "Crap. Three people are supposedly in charge and none of them know what they're doing!"

IIRC this was right after "There's a Federation citizen in danger and we must protect him!" "No, we can't put the crew of the Titan at risk." "It's my SON!" "Ohhhh! That's different!"

The show got better but that mess was a low point.

That's really where this season definitively died for me and I really can't say anything that came after was any better. Just one episode after another seesawing wildly between drama for drama's sake and nostalgia for nostalgia's sake with no concern whatsoever for actually combining any of this into a decent story. Ten episodes later I feel nothing whatsoever watching the 'redemption' of Shaw, the 'restoration' of Data, the return or defeat of the Borg and most damningly I can't muster the slightest ounce of belief in Picard as a person or his relationship with any of these other people around him, especially not his son with whom he's had no actual relationship whatsoever, just a ridiculous rollercoaster of arguments and unearned fatherly advice.

 

[donners22]

I haven't seen any of the Voyager eps where Picardo sings but I know he does. Spiner sings of course. Celia Rose Gooding sings. Does anyone know if any other cast members do?

Brooks and Visitor both have some singing background, and sang on DS9. Rapp of course is known for musicals. Jeri Ryan sang on Voyager.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Robert Picardo is the greatest singer from among Trek alumni. I hope we see him in the academy show as a centuries old holographic opera teacher.

 

[The Rock]

Honestly, they should've changed the name of the USS Titan to the USS Picard rather than the Enterprise-G.

 

[Dee1891]

Honestly, they should've changed the name of the USS Titan to the USS Picard rather than the Enterprise-G.

Why was the ship's name changed in the first place? I found that decision irrelevant.

 

[Campe]

Why was the ship's name changed in the first place? I found that decision irrelevant.

It was dumb. And it doesn’t even really make sense in the telling of the story. At the beginning of the story, Picard says he doesn’t need a legacy. By the end, he has a son, which yes, certainly helps there but a ship with his name would have done more so. Based on the ADR, it would not have surprised me in the slightest that Titan was supposed to be renamed Picard. But still that would have only been marginally better. It still shits on Titan and her crew but it would have been a bit better. Enterprise has a legacy. Picard and crew picked that up but they’d all moved on from the Enterprise. But hey, fans love nostalgia, and Terry Matalas is more interested in nostalgia bait than telling an original story, so here we are.

 

[Tallguy]

That's really where this season definitively died for me and I really can't say anything that came after was any better. Just one episode after another seesawing wildly between drama for drama's sake and nostalgia for nostalgia's sake with no concern whatsoever for actually combining any of this into a decent story. Ten episodes later I feel nothing whatsoever watching the 'redemption' of Shaw, the 'restoration' of Data, the return or defeat of the Borg and most damningly I can't muster the slightest ounce of belief in Picard as a person or his relationship with any of these other people around him, especially not his son with whom he's had no actual relationship whatsoever, just a ridiculous rollercoaster of arguments and unearned fatherly advice.

I still wound up having warmer feelings about it. But otherwise, yup.

The biggest thing missing from a lot of Disco and totally Picard is verisimilitude.

 

[Kzinti]

Why was the ship's name changed in the first place?

matala probably thought that renaming it enterprise would increase his chance of ''legacy'' getting greenlit

it would not have surprised me in the slightest that Titan was supposed to be renamed Picard.

yeah considering picard/beverly reaction it's pretty clear it was meant to be the ''uss picard'' and like you mentioned jack's adr line is pretty obvious

 

[Odo]

Think of it this way - if the ship had been renamed ‘Picard’, they could have continued calling the show called ‘Picard’ without including Patrick Stewart, since that would refer to the ship instead of the character. Perhaps he didn’t want that.