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How would you retcon Strange New Worlds?

TAS.
No clue about Thrawn, I think he was in the book than made me decide not continue reading Star Wars book. :lol:

Ah okay,

Yeah I don't know the square root of fuck all about TAS and it's canon status, only about the Star Wars expanded universe boondoggle
 
Paramount's "rules". It's a Paramount show. One of the reason's it wasn't was it being a Filmation production, In the end it was a money thing. Paramount owns it now.
This.

Also:

Lower Decks has drawn (:shifty:) from TAS so much now, it doesn't even makes sense that "parts of it are" but "parts of it aren't."

Actually, I'd be interested to know which TAS episodes have not in some way been referenced by LDS, we're so far beyond which have. They've been dropping TAS references all over the place.
 
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Um what? Zahn has a current series for Thrawn connected with new canon.

He's talking about the original Heir to the Empire series from the 90's.

The new Thrawn novels that Tim Zahn has been writing are within the canonical bounds that Disney/LFL have set
 
TAS isn’t canon, but the best parts of it have been brought back into the canon.

Until SNW has some connections to "Yesteryear" - the one TAS episode Gene considered canon – that’s not true.

A few ideas to rectify that:

- Spock’s has a family reunion with his cousins from “Yesteryear” – Selek, T’Pel, Sasak. Maybe Zachary Quinto can make a cameo as Selek, considering the close resemblance to Spock.

- a small arc involving the Andorian from “Yesteryear”, Thelin. As someone that is seriously considered to replace Spock as senior science officer. Only for Thelin to receive a promotion to commander on a different ship (ex. the Farragut or the Republic). The point being to see Spock under pressure from competition from a professional standpoint.

- the crew visits either pre-Surak Vulcan, or the Time of Awakening, with the experience being like something like from “The Inner Light” (since the Guardian of Forever is several years away for Spock). With encounters with Sehlats and le-matyas for the crew.

Other ideas:

The crew, sans Spock, meets T’Pau several years before “Amok Time”. T’Pau can recount her time as chief justice (VOY introduced the idea) and share her side of the story of turning down a seat on the Federation Council, and what she thinks of how the Federation has developed over the last century. We also see an example of T’Pau’s “absolute ruthlessness in applying logic”, as Janeway put it. Its also the best chance to have any meaningful commentary on the ENT era that’s not simply name dropping Archer everywhere.

The crew work with Tilly’s mother, Siobahn Tilly, on a diplomatic mission..A followup on the first couple of seasons of DIS.

An ancestor of Admiral Vance, engaged in a completely different occupation outside of Starfleet. Maybe working alongside Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones.

The Enterprise crew meets the captains and crews of the USS Excalibur, USS Exeter, USS Endeavour, and USS Defiant, with more diverse captains (and another reminder the Janice Lester was crazy in suggesting there were no female captains). Maybe the USS Endeavour can have a model or glass etching of the Endeavour NCC-06 to make it canon.

There genuinley should be a sequel to ENT’s “Twilight”, with Una working alongside Saru, Hemmer, Sarek, Voq, & L’Rell in that alternate timeline in a galaxy without humanity. So much importance is placed on humanity in Trek and its worth exploring what happens when humanity isn’t around.
 
I'm sure there's a way to reference it since so many of the other shows have already done so. It's the best of the whole animated series.
 
Interesting question! With SNW, it basically falls into two categories for me: Stuff I'm Okay With, and Stuff That Weirds Me Out. (But let me emphasize that I'm really enjoying the series overall, and it's my favorite Trek series since DS9. I just think it could improved in a few areas.)

Stuff I'm Okay With: Jess Bush is WAY more interesting as Christine Chapel than Majel Barrett ever was, so I don't particularly care that she's not much like the TOS version. This Chapel is a massive upgrade.

Likewise, I think it's cool that they cast Adrian Holmes as Robert April. We don't know much about the character canonically, and it's always nice to make Starfleet history in general and Enterprise captains in particular a bit less lily-white. I hope we see more of him.

I like the twist of making Pike aware of his eventual fate, as he knows he's living on borrowed time. It gives him a nice poignancy the other series Captains don't have. It's also very cool that he knows the names of all of the cadets he's destined to save.

I think it's great they've partially adapted D.C. Fontana's Illyrian backstory for Number One from the novel Vulcan's Glory for the new series. The genetically altered background gives them a lot to play with, and it's a nice tribute that they didn't have to do.

M'Benga is a cool character, but I wonder what he's going to do with him now that his sick daughter subplot is resolved. And I hope we can still see Dr. Boyce eventually.

I LOVED how they tied together the Second Civil War, the Eugenics Wars, and World War III as all being the same thing in the premiere. Simple and elegant, and it really spoke to this moment in time, which is what Star Trek is supposed to do.

Stuff That Weirds Me Out: It's tough for me to associate SNW's version of Lt. Kyle with the fellow John Winston played on TOS. Outside of their last names and general job description, I just don't the two versions having much in common.

I'm not nuts about La'an being a descendent of Khan, mainly because it makes Kirk & company look REALLY slow on the uptake by the time "Space Seed" rolls around. But we'll see what they do with that over time.

I personally wouldn't feature Uhura, Sam Kirk, and Jim Kirk on the show that much, but I get why they're there. They all seem like continuity glitches waiting to happen, though.

I'm also not a fan of Spock's secret relatives of Michael Burnham and Sybok, but I recognize that the show inherited those characters from DSC and STV. I'm willing to see what they do with Sybok, but right now I'm not inclined to like the character, as I think he's a bad idea from the get go.

Likewise, I think they're falling into a trap with Spock where he's going to be way more warm and fuzzy than a pre-TOS Spock should be. The
"I would like the ship to go"
gag in the S2 trailer fills me with dread, as it's totally out of character for Spock at this point in time, IMO. And they're doing so much with T'Pring I think they can't help but contradict what TOS showed us. (Obviously both Chapel and Uhura should know who she is in "Amok Time," if SNW is to be believed.)

Again, the Gorn stuff seems to do nothing but contradict what TOS showed us. It's stuff like this that makes me consider SNW a "broad strokes" kind of prequel right now, along with nitpicky stuff like Spock mind melding with humans when he says he's never done that before in "Dagger of the Mind."

And good GOD, Pike's Enterprise is cavernous. You could play football in engineering, the mess hall, and Pike's quarters. If it were up to me, I'd make the sets closer to what TOS showed us, in both style and general size.

Pike's hair. They have GOT to tone that pompadour down. It looks ridiculous.

And personally, I think it'd be really cool to see some TOS style Klingons on the show and explain they're just another one of the 24 Klingon Houses established on DSC. I doubt they'll ever do that, though.

So, basically, I'd just inch SNW closer to TOS in look and style, but still keep it as a show that works for today. I'd love for SNW to be a prequel that fits in with TOS as well as Better Call Saul fit with Breaking Bad, but that's probably not a realistic expectation.

If it aired, it's canon. But I tend to ignore the bad/stupid aired stuff and pretend it's not canon. YMMV.
Yeah, this is pretty much my philosophy as well. I have no problem ignoring the wimpy Chapel from TOS, or the "Turnabout Intruder" idea that women can't be Starship Captains. Those were dumb ideas to begin with, and we shouldn't be beholden to dumb ideas.
 
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