What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Vger23]

Controversial Opinion:


Sometimes it's ok to remember that Star Trek is not a real living, breathing universe...it's fictional and designed for maximum entertainment value, not maximum realism. So, in remembering this, we can pout aside frustrations with in-universe stuff that makes no sense and just allow ourselves the joy of being entertained.

I mean, there's no sound in space in real life...but we don't (?) jump up and down and complain about that...even though it's absolutely and profoundly ridiculous. Maybe most of the other things we could dismiss too....in the name of just for once being happy and joyful in the process of allowing ourselves to be entertained.

When "Best if both Worlds" happened, Starfleet had a major defeat and lost thousands of people. That event had profound in-universe consequences and was acknowledged in most Trek series up until the most recent one. The Dominion war was also referenced in anything that in- universe happened later.

This was always happening throughout franchise history. All the forgotten technologies. All the forgotten solutions to various problems. Heck, even BOBW, which you site here, is guilty of one of the most egregious "realism hand-waves" in Star Trek history...and that is that Picard returned to command the Enterprise after taking nothing more than a few days off to hang out at the vineyard, after having undergone an unimaginably horrific and life-altering experience. There's no way this is realistic. I don't care how much gyrating and rationalizing anyone does. He would have been either grounded permanently or he would have been quietly and honorably discharged.

I'm calling bullshit. Star Trek is always stupid. Always has been, always will be. Because "realism" isn't conducive to being wildly entertaining.

 

[Ovation]

People with Dunning Kruger like klutzman truly don't realize how badly they're infected by it, the more arrogant and unaware they are and incapable they are of realizing criticism of their work has absolute merit, the HARDER they're suffering from Dunning Kruger, a terrible mental disease inflicting many many people, especially the young of today.

First, it’s not a “mental disease”. Second, it’s not restricted to, nor dominant in, “the young of today”. Third, a clear manifestation of the effect is the presumption of amateurs to know more, and (hypothetically, as they are amateurs) perform better, than professionals in a particular field. Seem familiar?

 

[dmac]

That is certainly a lot of words.

The person has a lot to say.
Chat with y'all latter I have a blocked pressure release value on deck 10. I better attend to it before the plasma conduit explodes

 

[tomalak301]

TFF isn't even in my bottom 2 movies of the franchise. It's not great but damn, when it's gold it's absolute gold and earns those moments.

It was the movie that got the closest in terms of portraying the big three friendship like how the series portrayed it. It was the characters and the relationships that made TFF not terrible. I can’t say the same thing about Nemesis and Into Darkness just changed their movie halfway through to be Wrath of Kahn.

 

[1001001]

I love the concept of TFF.

A decent budget and a few script tweaks and it would be a top-tier effort in my book.

 

[fireproof78]

Sometimes it's ok to remember that Star Trek is not a real living, breathing universe...it's fictional and designed for maximum entertainment value, not maximum realism. So, in remembering this, we can pout aside frustrations with in-universe stuff that makes no sense and just allow ourselves the joy of being entertained.

Indeed. The efforts to make it perfectly acceptable takes away of bit the imaginative quality of the series.

 

[Racefuel]

My favorite part is the declaration that nothing in Picard will ever be referenced ever in the history of Star Trek because somehow one poster claims to have absolute knowledge of all things past, present and to come.

of course when they’ve shown to be wrong we’ll see some great goalpost moving

 

[Racefuel]

I enjoy seeing some polarizing and controversial story points because it says more about the inability of fans with inflexible, rigid minds and imagination to adapt to change.

Star Trek either helps encourage you to change or exposes your flaws

 

[fireproof78]

Indeed. The challenges of such opinions invites me to revisit Star Trek and my personal opinions. I'm always better for the introspection.

 

[Farscape One]

Indeed. The challenges of such opinions invites me to revisit Star Trek and my personal opinions. I'm always better for the introspection.

Introspection does lead to interesting conclusions.

Sometimes, I'm a little teapot, short and stout. Other times, I'm humpty dumpty. And sometimes... (deep voice) I'm Batman.

 

[gweeps]

I know one of the things people do who really want to appear as if they're part of the collective of friends and society, is to pay no attention to someone who appears to just be rambling or upset, especially one powerless to stop a bad situation, and to side with the status quo who get to make the decision, bad or not, and to definitely not appear to agree with someone who's being insulting or "rude", in order to save face and or not be also associated with that person and risk ruining their reputation, but at some point, someone will have to just say fk it, stop caring how they will appear if they agree with my hopeless cause, and just finally acknowledge that I may just be right. That this whole scenario truly happened due to greed, arrogance, sheer fkn hubris, and a massive lack of talent, and a gargantuan ton of disrespect to the predecessors of trek that made some of the best and most memorable episodes or movies. I can't help myself but be upset and angry, but I hope people don't decide to just immediately disagree with me simply because they don't like my tone or attitude. I have passion for trek. Anyone who has true passion and love for something and sees random strangers with no love for it or understanding of it, have power to wreck it with their unwise, talentless, Idiotic choices, knowing there really isn't much they can do about it Unless all the fans unite together with no fear of the typical tactics of the status quo aka using the masses and or the media to character attack and make up lies about the critics, by claiming "racism, sexism, or transphobia" or "toxic Fandom", would also do this

What is "true fandom"? Is someone less of a Beatles fan becuse they prefer the earlier stuff? No. People like what they like, in different amounts. No need to be angry or afraid.

 

[gweeps]

I enjoy seeing some polarizing and controversial story points because it says more about the inability of fans with inflexible, rigid minds and imagination to adapt to change.

Star Trek either helps encourage you to change or exposes your flaws

Ultimately, just give me interesting stories with well-defined characters. This is why DS9 is so popular. The episodes weren't always memorable, but at least you got character exploration, and for a tonne of characters. No other Trek has been quite as expansive. Closest was TNG, and I personally never cared for, say, the cliche of Data wanting to be human.

 

[gweeps]

I love the concept of TFF.

A decent budget and a few script tweaks and it would be a top-tier effort in my book.

Still, what it is is Shatastic.

 

[cooleddie74]

TFF is a lot like this franchise's own version of Moonraker. You know it's deeply flawed but damn, is it fun viewing when you're in the right mood.

 

[Farscape One]

Ah, MOONRAKER. You definitely have to be in a certain mindset or mood to watch it.

Fun side note, I met Richard Kiel many years ago at DragonCon. Nice guy, fun conversation about his time as Jaws and his THE TWILIGHT ZONE appearance. Sitting down, he was almost my height. (5' 7") And when I shook his hand, it was massive.

 

[Sci]

Spoiler

Who noticed that the end of Picard showed the murder of 300,000ish Starfleet & the Enterprise crew's response was a party?

Spoiler: PIC: "The Last Generation"

The only "party" we saw happens over a year later, and it wasn't so much a "party" as seven old and dear friends reuniting for a night of drinks and poker. There is nothing wrong with that. People had parties a year after 9/11 and there was nothing wrong with that, either. It's okay to need joy and friendship and love.

Spoiler

How are the survivors of Jack's attack going to cope with being the instruments of death, and Jack smiling his way into Enterprise G?

Spoiler

Jack didn't attack anybody. He was mind-controlled by the Borg Queen into hijacking the shuttle; he intended to kill her but discovered there was a mental block that prevented him, and then he was assimilated against his will. He was mentally overwhelmed by the Collective as all assimilation victims are, but then he was able to become only the second person in known history to break the assimilation brainwashing (after Jean-Luc himself). His situation in the Frontier Day Borg Crisis and then joining Starfleet is no different from Picard's situation in the battle of Wolf 359 and then resuming his duties as captain of the Enterprise.

It is, in fact, no different from the situation that the vast majority of young Starfleet officers are in (those that haven't resigned their commissions, anyway), since they all were assimilated against their will by the Borg and then all resumed their duties in Starfleet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Spoiler

Who noticed that the end of Picard showed the murder of 300,000ish Starfleet & the Enterprise crew's response was a party?

How are the survivors of Jack's attack going to cope with being the instruments of death, and Jack smiling his way into Enterprise G? Promising? there's no way it could happen again?

Since most of the G's bridge crew were "in on it" I'm not sure they'll say much.

 

[tomalak301]

Indeed. The challenges of such opinions invites me to revisit Star Trek and my personal opinions. I'm always better for the introspection.

That was me rewatching Season 1 of Picard. I'll rewatch Season 2 eventually, but I'm almost afraid to because of my initial reaction.

 

[Rahul]

Matalas has said that if “Legacy” happens that he sees this Borg attack on Earth as being the equivalent of “The Snap” in the MCU; a society-wide trauma that will have far-reaching consequences.

I actually hope not.
There is something the more angry people answering to my post (@Racefuel ) seem to have missed:

And that is fine.

I like Marvel movies. I liked Endgame. I liked how they "kept" the Snap and didn't do the obvious solution of reversing it.

However - every time it was brought up later, it was awkward as fuck and took me right out of the movie I was currently watching.

"The snap" would realistically destroy & completely reform all aspects of society - from how romance & relationships work, to more abstract political stuff, like no way they would still live in a traditional Western capitalist society afterwards.
If that gets too deeply explored, it stops being a superhero show, and instead becomes a very abstract, socio-economic "what if"-story on civilization and human norms itself.

It's okay if franchises sometimes "forget" their own story, IF it would otherwise break their universe (see all "lost technologies" in Trek). And the current story-arc writing style of Trek falls under this umbrella, where it's the wiser decision to just move on & forget.

 

[Racefuel]

My point is is that you're making predictive statements as an absolute about stories that we don't even know are going to come to pass.

You can't say with certainty how this is going to impact any stories that take place in the 25th century going forward