What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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TFF was more beautiful film aesthetically than either TSFS or TVH. I love both of those films and I like them a lot moreso than TFF but neither is particulary all that daring or experimental with cinematography or set lighting. TFF tried interesting new things and those shots worked then and they still work now.
The Search for Spock looked like it was filmed exclusively on soundstages. Something that handicaps it vs. The Voyage Home and The Final Frontier.
Even Sha Ka Ree turned a desert shooting location and some purple camera filters into an evocative environment. Barren, arid and lifeless but somehow still containing a lurking intelligence waiting to show itself.
We had a D&I session at work the other day and I was so proud of my nerd creds for dropping IDIC into conversation to make a point
Rod Stewart covered Enterprise's theme song?!? ::mind blown::
That the destruction of Romulus was sabotage by someone in the temporal cold war in order to not only create the Kelvin timeline but to alter the TRUE path of the prime tng and onwards timeline. In the REAL future aka "all good things", and "endgame", the destruction of Romulus definitely never happened. What did happen was that the klingons took over the romulan empire as stated in all good things by PICARD: "Right. Right. Klingons. In this time period, the Klingons have taken over the Romulan Empire."
Let's be honest and look at WHY Romulus was destroyed in st 2009? It's because it was made by clueless people with no True passion, love, and especially understanding of the trek universe. No true and core trek writer or staff from tos to ent would EVER consider just wiping out Romulus. But a stupid, careless, ignorant, talentless person with ZERO regard for trek Lore and it's fans, and only intentions at a possible attempt at recognition and money, would happily and easily make the stupid mistake of thinking they can just make a movie about a show they don't really comprehend or understand just because it already has a fan base strong enough to generate money, and they think the fans just want to see some action and boom boom, let's add some world disappearing, how about Romulus. If Roddenberry was alive he'd fire anyone who suggested this on the spot and ensure he'd be BLACKLISTED from Hollywood PERMANENTLY for the rest of his talentless ignorant life. You don't just blow up Romulus like that. You don't just decide to change trek how you want to because you have no respect for fans and think you are so . brilliant you can single handedly DESTROY the Lore and rewrite everything how YOU want it and then delude yourself to believe it's better than any other trek movie. That's a hallmark of an extremely arrogant, ignorant, and talentless person who deep down knows he was given the position because talent and skill doesn't matter anymore, arbitrary fame of some other random "succesful work" and friends in top positions get you hired, not talent and passion and understanding of the Lore and fan base, and as I was saying, the hallmark of a talentless person who is so hopelessly overshadowed by superior writing and production of past movies, that the only way they can not lose their mind is if they delude themselves to think that they're so much better, and in fact so good, they'll even blow up Romulus and make it official just because they're so great. And the fans will love it.
Well unfortunately there are some of us who consider the writers mindset and intent as well and not just the content of their brain (in this case a micro brain), and you know what, it's obvious that the whole ST 2009 Kelvin timeline Romulus blown up is Canon shenanigans, is just that, shenanigans by a disrespectful, talentless writer, trying to use every disreputable trick in Hollywood, the hallmark of talentless writers/producers/etc, to try and make the movie gain as many ratings by critics as possible without making a fkn lick of coherent sense nor follow established Lore or rules. That's what I saw when st 2009 came out. Another way to easily spot a bad writer who is choking, is when they're so quick to bring back old villains, or scenes, like khan, and spocks death, but they think they're so talented they can make it better and "subvert the viewers expectations" (because that's what the fans want, their expectations subverted from trek) by putting Kirk in the radiation chamber, and theyre too dam cowardly to even make it believable, they used the most piss poor ridiculous attempt to quickly revive him before they ruin their own garbage franchise. Bringing back Spock took a movie and a whole lot of in universe sense. But Kirk was quickly brought back by tribbles, the scene of Kirk's death was neither emotional, nor did anyone care, but you can sure bet the writers or directors or producers made an interview saying "oh this scene is so good. Even better than the original". Only talentless writers resort to copying, and when they do it very quickly by movie 2 copying scenes and entire villains it's even more apparent. And look at how badly they flopped. Anything the writers added to the khan story on top of khan himself, was so strange, badly written, and made no fkn sense at all. They had to resort to an old villain from the top grossing trek movie and highest rated one ever because they sure as hell can't fkn make an even somewhat decent one on their own other than release garbage and kill off characters for no reason, like Icheb, Hugh, etc, and even fkn Q, which makes NO SENSE at all. Any trek fan knows Q can't just die, but some disease in klutzmans tiny micro brain prevents him from even recognizing the obvious. He probably was like "oh yea we will do a season where q dies and they say goodbye. It will be so emotional and all the fans will love it.oh and Picard will just allow Rio, the most irritating and annoying and most 2020 behaving character, to violate dozens of temporal and federation laws and remain in the past", and not an iota of consideration or thought was given by klutzman and Co because they have no logic, no reason, no understanding, no knowledge, no idea on how to make a character or show follow inexorably from established traits and plot points, they can't because they have microscopic brains (if we can call it that), are arrogant, and have no idea wtf they're doing. They truly believe their disgusting nasty chit doesn't stink and smells like the best roses and tulips instead, and can't see their own stench, which is the worst stench of all possible worst stenches. How it never crosses their microscopic minds that Picard could never allow rio to stay, or q to just die, is so far beyond me, because luckily, I'll never ever *knocks on wood* have this level of sheer arrogance, fkn hubris, and stupidity and complete lack of awareness or lack of taking my work and position seriously and doing the best possible to maintain the heart of a show im writing for, like klutzman and Co. I find it grateful I'll never have to experience such a mental disease, such a massive lack of awareness, logic, and intellect. People with Dunning Kruger like klutzman truly don't realize how badly they're infected by it, the more arrogant and unaware they are and incapable they are of realizing criticism of their work has absolute merit, the HARDER they're suffering from Dunning Kruger, a terrible mental disease inflicting many many people, especially the young of today. I only hope they grow out of this phase of thinking theyre "hot chit", and invincible, and the"best". I'd suggest they start by respecting the creative work of their predecessors, respect it enough to continue just as how their predecessors would..honor the works of the great, become humble and honest, and throw away that egotistical delusional arrogance that is a clear powerful sign and indicator of a mental disease and insecurity
Let's be honest and look at WHY Romulus was destroyed in st 2009? It's because it was made by clueless people with no True passion, love, and especially understanding of the trek universe. No true and core trek writer or staff from tos to ent would EVER consider just wiping out Romulus. But a stupid, careless, ignorant, talentless person with ZERO regard for trek Lore and it's fans, and only intentions at a possible attempt at recognition and money, would happily and easily make the stupid mistake of thinking they can just make a movie about a show they don't really comprehend or understand just because it already has a fan base strong enough to generate money, and they think the fans just want to see some action and boom boom, let's add some world disappearing, how about Romulus. If Roddenberry was alive he'd fire anyone who suggested this on the spot and ensure he'd be BLACKLISTED from Hollywood PERMANENTLY for the rest of his talentless ignorant life. You don't just blow up Romulus like that. You don't just decide to change trek how you want to because you have no respect for fans and think you are so . brilliant you can single handedly DESTROY the Lore and rewrite everything how YOU want it and then delude yourself to believe it's better than any other trek movie. That's a hallmark of an extremely arrogant, ignorant, and talentless person who deep down knows he was given the position because talent and skill doesn't matter anymore, arbitrary fame of some other random "succesful work" and friends in top positions get you hired, not talent and passion and understanding of the Lore and fan base, and as I was saying, the hallmark of a talentless person who is so hopelessly overshadowed by superior writing and production of past movies, that the only way they can not lose their mind is if they delude themselves to think that they're so much better, and in fact so good, they'll even blow up Romulus and make it official just because they're so great. And the fans will love it.
Well unfortunately there are some of us who consider the writers mindset and intent as well and not just the content of their brain (in this case a micro brain), and you know what, it's obvious that the whole ST 2009 Kelvin timeline Romulus blown up is Canon shenanigans, is just that, shenanigans by a disrespectful, talentless writer, trying to use every disreputable trick in Hollywood, the hallmark of talentless writers/producers/etc, to try and make the movie gain as many ratings by critics as possible without making a fkn lick of coherent sense nor follow established Lore or rules. That's what I saw when st 2009 came out. Another way to easily spot a bad writer who is choking, is when they're so quick to bring back old villains, or scenes, like khan, and spocks death, but they think they're so talented they can make it better and "subvert the viewers expectations" (because that's what the fans want, their expectations subverted from trek) by putting Kirk in the radiation chamber, and theyre too dam cowardly to even make it believable, they used the most piss poor ridiculous attempt to quickly revive him before they ruin their own garbage franchise. Bringing back Spock took a movie and a whole lot of in universe sense. But Kirk was quickly brought back by tribbles, the scene of Kirk's death was neither emotional, nor did anyone care, but you can sure bet the writers or directors or producers made an interview saying "oh this scene is so good. Even better than the original". Only talentless writers resort to copying, and when they do it very quickly by movie 2 copying scenes and entire villains it's even more apparent. And look at how badly they flopped. Anything the writers added to the khan story on top of khan himself, was so strange, badly written, and made no fkn sense at all. They had to resort to an old villain from the top grossing trek movie and highest rated one ever because they sure as hell can't fkn make an even somewhat decent one on their own other than release garbage and kill off characters for no reason, like Icheb, Hugh, etc, and even fkn Q, which makes NO SENSE at all. Any trek fan knows Q can't just die, but some disease in klutzmans tiny micro brain prevents him from even recognizing the obvious. He probably was like "oh yea we will do a season where q dies and they say goodbye. It will be so emotional and all the fans will love it.oh and Picard will just allow Rio, the most irritating and annoying and most 2020 behaving character, to violate dozens of temporal and federation laws and remain in the past", and not an iota of consideration or thought was given by klutzman and Co because they have no logic, no reason, no understanding, no knowledge, no idea on how to make a character or show follow inexorably from established traits and plot points, they can't because they have microscopic brains (if we can call it that), are arrogant, and have no idea wtf they're doing. They truly believe their disgusting nasty chit doesn't stink and smells like the best roses and tulips instead, and can't see their own stench, which is the worst stench of all possible worst stenches. How it never crosses their microscopic minds that Picard could never allow rio to stay, or q to just die, is so far beyond me, because luckily, I'll never ever *knocks on wood* have this level of sheer arrogance, fkn hubris, and stupidity and complete lack of awareness or lack of taking my work and position seriously and doing the best possible to maintain the heart of a show im writing for, like klutzman and Co. I find it grateful I'll never have to experience such a mental disease, such a massive lack of awareness, logic, and intellect. People with Dunning Kruger like klutzman truly don't realize how badly they're infected by it, the more arrogant and unaware they are and incapable they are of realizing criticism of their work has absolute merit, the HARDER they're suffering from Dunning Kruger, a terrible mental disease inflicting many many people, especially the young of today. I only hope they grow out of this phase of thinking theyre "hot chit", and invincible, and the"best". I'd suggest they start by respecting the creative work of their predecessors, respect it enough to continue just as how their predecessors would..honor the works of the great, become humble and honest, and throw away that egotistical delusional arrogance that is a clear powerful sign and indicator of a mental disease and insecurity
I think blowing up Romulus turned out to be a good idea that shifted the status quo in an interesting way and allowed for more exploration of the Romulans themselves (who are still very much around). As much as I liked the Romulan episodes in TNG and DS9 it was clear that the race had gotten very one note and were crying out for a major shakeup of some kind.
Really. Did you read my post before you commented this or did you randomly happen to write about the "destruction" of Romulus (fake, happened in an alternate timeline so is disc, pic, SNW, ld and prodigy get a pass somewhat from me so long as they don't discuss Romulus)?
How did it do any good? The romulan weren't getting stale..in fact they were getting real good by the end of ds9.
Please read my post again to understand why the talentless writers decided to destroy Romulus. Maybe then it will make sense. I can assure you that it was in NO WAY a genius or thought out choice on their part. They simply wanted to force Leonard nimoy in there alongside with a totally uncharacteristic of Spock, fake Spock in a movie and couldn't think of a good reason to have Spock sent back (it's because they can't think at all in the first place), and quickly decided without a shred of thought, by destroying a planet, becsuse oh look, if we destroy an important planet crucial to star trek, then it will HAVE to make sense and will HAVE TO JUSTIFY the reason why original superior Spock is sent back in time to a bunch of strangers who just happen to be in A federation in A starship enterprise with A "captain Kirk" and Spock. Anyone of the writers who wrote BoBW or all good things could have written an incredibly beautiful, coherent, and sophisticated time travel story with nimoy, but not the talentless unaware ignorant buffoons of st 2009. That's why Romulus was destroyed and exaxtly that. To try and give the audience some excuse and pathetic justification for why Spock was sent back in time, and to CHEAPLY raise the stakes. "Oh lookee here biggie planet go boom boom. Very bad boi villain. Scary man. Dangerous. Boom boom pew pew". Thays the kind of mind the "writers" had when they wrote that God forsaken "script". It's something a child would write. "And then Romulus went boom boom. And a big explosion happened that sucked Spock back in time. And then, Kirk's mom was giving birth on an exploding ship, ans then Kirk's dad decided to collide with bad boi ship, when he could have used autopilot, but I'm a child what do I know about an adult making a reasonable course of action that all humans do unless there's no other way, in order to survive, aka using autopilot, and then the Romulan who doesn't look or behave romulan nor has a romulan looking ship, just did nothing for 20-30 years only to suddenly show up, and then pew pew". That's how st 2009 was born and how st was wrecked by adults with the minds of children
I know one of the things people do who really want to appear as if they're part of the collective of friends and society, is to pay no attention to someone who appears to just be rambling or upset, especially one powerless to stop a bad situation, and to side with the status quo who get to make the decision, bad or not, and to definitely not appear to agree with someone who's being insulting or "rude", in order to save face and or not be also associated with that person and risk ruining their reputation, but at some point, someone will have to just say fk it, stop caring how they will appear if they agree with my hopeless cause, and just finally acknowledge that I may just be right. That this whole scenario truly happened due to greed, arrogance, sheer fkn hubris, and a massive lack of talent, and a gargantuan ton of disrespect to the predecessors of trek that made some of the best and most memorable episodes or movies. I can't help myself but be upset and angry, but I hope people don't decide to just immediately disagree with me simply because they don't like my tone or attitude. I have passion for trek. Anyone who has true passion and love for something and sees random strangers with no love for it or understanding of it, have power to wreck it with their unwise, talentless, Idiotic choices, knowing there really isn't much they can do about it Unless all the fans unite together with no fear of the typical tactics of the status quo aka using the masses and or the media to character attack and make up lies about the critics, by claiming "racism, sexism, or transphobia" or "toxic Fandom", would also do this
That is certainly a lot of words.
It's the other way around.
"Faith of the Heart" was first performed by Rod Stewart, for the movie Patch Adams (1998). The song was written by the phenomenal Diane Warren, who also wrote
"If I Could Turn Back Time",
"Because You Loved Me",
"How Do I Live",
"I Don't Want to Miss a Thing",
and many others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_of_the_Heart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Warren
No major events in modern Trek will ever matter in-universe again (in the P+ streaming era of Trek).
When "Best if both Worlds" happened, Starfleet had a major defeat and lost thousands of people. That event had profound in-universe consequences and was acknowledged in most Trek series up until the most recent one. The Dominion war was also referenced in anything that in- universe happened later.
But no matter what happens in ANY of the modern streaming series - the destruction of all of Starfleet, the murder of millions of servicemen, A.I. wars spanning millennia and destroying entire planets, reboots of whole species or iconic characters, props, ships - despite never being "technically" erased via time-travel or reboot - NONE of these events will ever have any consequences or even be acknowledged in-universe ever again.
For all intents & purposes, Starfleet history "ended" with ST09. Anything else after that will only ever reference events from itself (but even then rarely - every new season is kind of a blank slate), or the 90s-00s Trek shows. The streaming shows will continue to show events that technically happen. But they will never be part of Treks fictional history. Basically what Voyager did after each episode, back to status quo, on a franchise-wide, galaxy-wide level.
And that is fine.
When "Best if both Worlds" happened, Starfleet had a major defeat and lost thousands of people. That event had profound in-universe consequences and was acknowledged in most Trek series up until the most recent one. The Dominion war was also referenced in anything that in- universe happened later.
But no matter what happens in ANY of the modern streaming series - the destruction of all of Starfleet, the murder of millions of servicemen, A.I. wars spanning millennia and destroying entire planets, reboots of whole species or iconic characters, props, ships - despite never being "technically" erased via time-travel or reboot - NONE of these events will ever have any consequences or even be acknowledged in-universe ever again.
For all intents & purposes, Starfleet history "ended" with ST09. Anything else after that will only ever reference events from itself (but even then rarely - every new season is kind of a blank slate), or the 90s-00s Trek shows. The streaming shows will continue to show events that technically happen. But they will never be part of Treks fictional history. Basically what Voyager did after each episode, back to status quo, on a franchise-wide, galaxy-wide level.
And that is fine.
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Matalas has said that if “Legacy” happens that he sees this Borg attack on Earth as being the equivalent of “The Snap” in the MCU; a society-wide trauma that will have far-reaching consequences.
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