Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard
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You're incorrect. He wasn't saying it in past tense, he's referring to current tense as it was investigating an existing DMA situation. Saru was talking about the current active investigation of the DMA which had never been encountered before.
If Starfleet had experienced a similar DMA in the past they would have said this was an ongoing event.
Nope. he was talking about encounters with similar anomalies, not encounters with the DMA.
The implication is that it's a current or very recent Enterprise, if it had been a historical Enterprise he likely would have added something like "The Enteprise-F" or such.
Otherwise if it was a historical ship, wouldn't the logical question have been "Which one?"
Unless something is referred to explicitly as a past tense event, the assumption should be that they're referring to a current or near current record, otherwise there is no knowing if it was the NX-01, 1701-C, 1701-E or anything else.
We saw that there is a Voyager-J also, yet Saru didn't specify which Voyager, so are we to assume he must be referring to the 24th century voyager also?
Or is it just the Enteprise you guys are going to get nitpicky over.
Otherwise if it was a historical ship, wouldn't the logical question have been "Which one?"
Unless something is referred to explicitly as a past tense event, the assumption should be that they're referring to a current or near current record, otherwise there is no knowing if it was the NX-01, 1701-C, 1701-E or anything else.
We saw that there is a Voyager-J also, yet Saru didn't specify which Voyager, so are we to assume he must be referring to the 24th century voyager also?
Or is it just the Enteprise you guys are going to get nitpicky over.
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Is it too much to ask that we get a proper looking 25th century ship, not a retro-didgeridoo?
The Odyssey Class has a following and looks more advanced that the Sovereign, but that sleek shape is not what Matalas was after. Chunky Monkey flavor is what we got.
The Odyssey Class has a following and looks more advanced that the Sovereign, but that sleek shape is not what Matalas was after. Chunky Monkey flavor is what we got.
Yes.
Yes indeed. Irrational over it but I grow sick of the Enterprise as the most important ship EVAH! in Starfleet.
Just let it go!
I'd have accepted those. A Pathfinder Class!
There is? When was that established? Keep in mind I haven’t seen season 4, but I’m ok with spoilers.
Edit: Never mind, I didn’t read through the rest of the thread. For what it’s worth, I agree with @Tuskin38 that they were referring to an older Enterprise and an older Voyager, but it’s ambiguous because they don’t mention which ones.
There is some discussion here about it, but I thought it was mentioning an historical event that an Enterprise recorded something similar.
According to Memory Alpha:
If I were to guess, it's probably a member of the 31st/32nd century Constitution class. STO renamed this the Kirk class, for some odd reason. No clue as to its registry. It was nothing more than a throw-away line just to let us know there's another "E" out there but, yeah, it's established.
Although, as others have pointed out, there is no establishment of a timeframe, so it may be an older reference.
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They say "records" about "similar disturbances" but they didn't say when or what Enterprise and Voyager. I'm of the view that Saru was referring to recent records or even records of the current investigation.
The line is vague and far from conclusive leading people to draw their own conclusions, which we are. I was wrong to objectively say that Tuskin was incorrect, but I feel that Saru was referring to a contemporary Enterprise and Voyager given the lack of time frame clarity
Yeah, that's the thing with the reference. I thought he was mentioning past events in history, kind of linking to when he started looking up decorated Starfleet Captains and maybe he got into studying more about Starfleet in the years since they left the 23rd Century.
It wasn't odd, it was to prevent confusion with all the other Constitution classes in the game already.
Same reason they called the Intrepid 'Janeway Class'.
The showrunners didn't seem to think there would be any confusion in the actual show, though - which is rare - they're the ones that usually make a habit of presuming such a thing.
I really dislike when executives assume that there exists a sub-par average intelligence of their clientele. It really is quite insulting.
I really dislike when executives assume that there exists a sub-par average intelligence of their clientele. It really is quite insulting.
Yeah but the show itself doesn't have multiple versions of the same class at once.
The class names have also not actually been spoken aloud in the show.
Okay here's an example for you.
In "Death Wish" Janeway is talking to Quinn about "his" experiences with Picard on "the Enterprise", granted it was actually the other Q, not Quinn. For Janeway the Enterprise for her is the Enterprise-D because that is what was in service when Voyager left. The events of Generations take place within weeks after "Caretaker" if we go by Stardates (which granted aren't consistent but are usually seen as ballpark and sequential).
When Janeway was saying that..the actual Enterprise was the Enterprise-E. Since she didn't specify *which* Enterprise, we need to extrapolate it was whatever she was seeing as her contemporary.
Granted I am deep diving on this and extrapolating a lot, I don't demand anyone agree with me
No, I understand. To me, it's the wording in the script was ambiguous to a degree.
