Hadn't really considered that, but now that you've said it, I can feel some The Return vibes.
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Hadn't really considered that, but now that you've said it, I can feel some The Return vibes.
Not to mention wasn't there the assimilation-linking thing in Picard S2?
It's been so long since I've read Shatnerverse but it is sure something. Conspiracy to the highest level! The Dominion, sort of! And Vadic makes it seem so personal! And then just kidding let's pivot back to the borg!
Before I watch the series finale, I will jot down my novel-related notes about the season thus far:
episode 3.01
Canon Beverly Crusher left Starfleet circa 2380 and is independent in 2401; FS Beverly Crusher never left Starfleet
as previously established in PIC 1.07, canon Riker and Troi have a daughter named Kestra; FS Riker and Troi had a daughter named Natasha from Titan - Over a Torrent Sea to Coda - Oblivion's Gate
episode 3.02
Canon Picard is revealed to have an unknown son by Crusher, Jack the younger; FS Jean-Luc Picard and Beverly Crusher married but had a different child, René Jacques Robert Francois Picard in 2381, per Typhon Pact - Paths of Disharmony to Coda - Oblivion's Gate
episode 3.03
Canon Odo and the Great Link are implied to be business as usual sans renegades in the Dominion of 2401; the FS Great Link dissolved in 2376 in "The Dominion - Olympus Descending", with the Dominion experiencing an exodus of former state officials in 2386 in DS9 - The Long Mirage
episode 3.04
the Titan-A crew discover that the Ryton nebula was a nursery for a previously-unseen kind of cosmozoan vaguely reminiscent of the TNG 1.01 species; incidentally, FS William T. Riker and the Titan crew encountered the TNG 1.01 species in Titan - Orion's Hounds
episode 3.05
Canon Ro Laren shocks Jean-Luc Picard with having returned to Starfleet by 2401; FS Ro Laren openly joined the Bajoran Militia in 2376 per DS9 - Avatar, Book One and accompanied the integration into Starfleet in DS9 - Unity, with Jean-Luc Picard himself lobbying for Starfleet not to arrest her
Canon Ro Laren is a Commander in 2401; FS Ro Laren was promoted to Captain by 2382, per Typhon Pact - Zero Sum Game
Canon Seven of Nine futilely notes that image scanners to detect Founders have been standard protocol since the Dominion War; as it happens, the FS Starfleet also suffered severe security breaches in Commander Andrew Ellis being replaced by a Founder from circa 2371 to 2378 per Spirit Walk: Old Wounds and in Admiral Willem Batiste also being replaced by a Groundskeeper from circa 2374 to 2381 per VOY - Unworthy
Canon Worf and Raffi deploy a mobile emitter; in the FS, the mobile emitter was still considered far away from non-reproducible as of 2385 per TNG - The Light Fantastic, though B'Elanna Torres did make one for Emperor Kahless II between VOY - Full Circle and TNG - A Time for War, a Time for Peace and Bayal Sego made another for Vic Fontaine in DS9 - The Long Mirage
episode 3.06
Daystrom Station has a Professor James Moriarty hologram, though it is not the same self-aware copy from TNG 2.03 et al., whose fate from the Enterprise-D computer system is unspecified; the FS incarnation of the infamous Moriarty returned in 2385 as the antagonist in TNG - The Light Fantastic
as previously established in PIC 1.10, canon Data's remaining mental copy in B-4 was procured by his organic brother Altan Inigo Soong, who acceded to Data's wish to die; in the TNG - Cold Equations trilogy, FS Data did not have an organic brother but rather was restored from B-4 by the transferred Noonian Soong
Canon Lore came into Altan Soong's possession, implied intact, and was incorporated into the M-5-10 body; FS Lore was held in storage aboard the Enterprise-D after being defeated in TNG 7.01. When the ship crashed on Veridian III in 2371, Lore's brain was destroyed by a failsafe set up to prevent his escape.
nonetheless, many points in PIC 3.06 accomplish the same goals as the Cold Equations trilogy
canon William T. Riker's mother is identified as Betty C. Riker, which is information recycled from an unused background graphic from TNG 5.14; the FS interpretation was named Annie Riker in TLE - Deny Thy Father
as previously indicated in PIC 2.01 and PRO season 1, the canon U.S.S. Voyager was decommissioned by Starfleet upon its return to the Federation in 2378 and sits in the Fleet Museum in 2401; the FS Voyager returned to service in 2378
the second Defiant-class U.S.S. Defiant sits in the Fleet Museum in 2401; the FS incarnation was destroyed in the Temporal Apocalypse in 2387
the U.S.S. Excelsior sits in the Fleet Museum in 2401; the FS Excelsior was destroyed in a planetary crash in 2308 per TLE - One Constant Star
per Dave Blass, the canon 23rd century Romulan bird-of-prey copies the STO class name T'Liss-class; in the FS, the designation T'Liss-class belonged to the base model of the 22nd century Romulan holo-drone
episode 3.07
Canon Section 31 captured 10 Founders and experimented upon them on Daystrom Station, still being active in 2401; FS Section 31 was never involved in capturing Founders and was forcefully abolished in 2387 when Julian Bashir exposed them galaxy-wide
episode 3.08
episode 3.09
Canon Jean-Luc Picard is revealed to never have had Irumodic Syndrome but rather had lasting genetic modifications to his brain from the Borg; FS Picard's psychic connection to the Borg was noted several times from TNG - Resistance to Coda - Oblivion's Gate, but this was never the explanation
as implied in previous seasons, the canon Borg Collective have not been sighted by the Federation since before 2391; the FS Borg were dissolved galaxy-wide by the Caeliar in 2381 in Destiny - Lost Souls
the canon Enterprise-D saucer was salvaged from Veridian III; the FS Enterprise-D saucer was scuttled on Veridian III
the canon Enterprise-E was lost while under Worf's command under circumstances undescribed; the FS Enterprise-E was active until the Temporal Apocalypse in 2387
Canon Worf is still a Captain in 2401; FS Worf was denied his promotion to Captain in 2387 by the Temporal Apocalypse
episode 3.01
Canon Beverly Crusher left Starfleet circa 2380 and is independent in 2401; FS Beverly Crusher never left Starfleet
as previously established in PIC 1.07, canon Riker and Troi have a daughter named Kestra; FS Riker and Troi had a daughter named Natasha from Titan - Over a Torrent Sea to Coda - Oblivion's Gate
episode 3.02
Canon Picard is revealed to have an unknown son by Crusher, Jack the younger; FS Jean-Luc Picard and Beverly Crusher married but had a different child, René Jacques Robert Francois Picard in 2381, per Typhon Pact - Paths of Disharmony to Coda - Oblivion's Gate
episode 3.03
Canon Odo and the Great Link are implied to be business as usual sans renegades in the Dominion of 2401; the FS Great Link dissolved in 2376 in "The Dominion - Olympus Descending", with the Dominion experiencing an exodus of former state officials in 2386 in DS9 - The Long Mirage
episode 3.04
the Titan-A crew discover that the Ryton nebula was a nursery for a previously-unseen kind of cosmozoan vaguely reminiscent of the TNG 1.01 species; incidentally, FS William T. Riker and the Titan crew encountered the TNG 1.01 species in Titan - Orion's Hounds
episode 3.05
Canon Ro Laren shocks Jean-Luc Picard with having returned to Starfleet by 2401; FS Ro Laren openly joined the Bajoran Militia in 2376 per DS9 - Avatar, Book One and accompanied the integration into Starfleet in DS9 - Unity, with Jean-Luc Picard himself lobbying for Starfleet not to arrest her
Canon Ro Laren is a Commander in 2401; FS Ro Laren was promoted to Captain by 2382, per Typhon Pact - Zero Sum Game
Canon Seven of Nine futilely notes that image scanners to detect Founders have been standard protocol since the Dominion War; as it happens, the FS Starfleet also suffered severe security breaches in Commander Andrew Ellis being replaced by a Founder from circa 2371 to 2378 per Spirit Walk: Old Wounds and in Admiral Willem Batiste also being replaced by a Groundskeeper from circa 2374 to 2381 per VOY - Unworthy
Canon Worf and Raffi deploy a mobile emitter; in the FS, the mobile emitter was still considered far away from non-reproducible as of 2385 per TNG - The Light Fantastic, though B'Elanna Torres did make one for Emperor Kahless II between VOY - Full Circle and TNG - A Time for War, a Time for Peace and Bayal Sego made another for Vic Fontaine in DS9 - The Long Mirage
episode 3.06
Daystrom Station has a Professor James Moriarty hologram, though it is not the same self-aware copy from TNG 2.03 et al., whose fate from the Enterprise-D computer system is unspecified; the FS incarnation of the infamous Moriarty returned in 2385 as the antagonist in TNG - The Light Fantastic
as previously established in PIC 1.10, canon Data's remaining mental copy in B-4 was procured by his organic brother Altan Inigo Soong, who acceded to Data's wish to die; in the TNG - Cold Equations trilogy, FS Data did not have an organic brother but rather was restored from B-4 by the transferred Noonian Soong
Canon Lore came into Altan Soong's possession, implied intact, and was incorporated into the M-5-10 body; FS Lore was held in storage aboard the Enterprise-D after being defeated in TNG 7.01. When the ship crashed on Veridian III in 2371, Lore's brain was destroyed by a failsafe set up to prevent his escape.
nonetheless, many points in PIC 3.06 accomplish the same goals as the Cold Equations trilogy
canon William T. Riker's mother is identified as Betty C. Riker, which is information recycled from an unused background graphic from TNG 5.14; the FS interpretation was named Annie Riker in TLE - Deny Thy Father
as previously indicated in PIC 2.01 and PRO season 1, the canon U.S.S. Voyager was decommissioned by Starfleet upon its return to the Federation in 2378 and sits in the Fleet Museum in 2401; the FS Voyager returned to service in 2378
the second Defiant-class U.S.S. Defiant sits in the Fleet Museum in 2401; the FS incarnation was destroyed in the Temporal Apocalypse in 2387
the U.S.S. Excelsior sits in the Fleet Museum in 2401; the FS Excelsior was destroyed in a planetary crash in 2308 per TLE - One Constant Star
per Dave Blass, the canon 23rd century Romulan bird-of-prey copies the STO class name T'Liss-class; in the FS, the designation T'Liss-class belonged to the base model of the 22nd century Romulan holo-drone
episode 3.07
Canon Section 31 captured 10 Founders and experimented upon them on Daystrom Station, still being active in 2401; FS Section 31 was never involved in capturing Founders and was forcefully abolished in 2387 when Julian Bashir exposed them galaxy-wide
episode 3.08
episode 3.09
Canon Jean-Luc Picard is revealed to never have had Irumodic Syndrome but rather had lasting genetic modifications to his brain from the Borg; FS Picard's psychic connection to the Borg was noted several times from TNG - Resistance to Coda - Oblivion's Gate, but this was never the explanation
as implied in previous seasons, the canon Borg Collective have not been sighted by the Federation since before 2391; the FS Borg were dissolved galaxy-wide by the Caeliar in 2381 in Destiny - Lost Souls
the canon Enterprise-D saucer was salvaged from Veridian III; the FS Enterprise-D saucer was scuttled on Veridian III
the canon Enterprise-E was lost while under Worf's command under circumstances undescribed; the FS Enterprise-E was active until the Temporal Apocalypse in 2387
Canon Worf is still a Captain in 2401; FS Worf was denied his promotion to Captain in 2387 by the Temporal Apocalypse
Good summary. The only note I’d make is what I said in the thread for the episode about the mobile emitter.
They’re both called mobile emitters but Raffi’s is basically a projector or a mini version of holo communications which have existed since the 23rd century. No indication it could host a sentient hologram and that might be a long way off still.
Same as a rotary phone and a current iPhone still both being called “phones”
They’re both called mobile emitters but Raffi’s is basically a projector or a mini version of holo communications which have existed since the 23rd century. No indication it could host a sentient hologram and that might be a long way off still.
Same as a rotary phone and a current iPhone still both being called “phones”
Nothing on-screen says he was in command - you can infer it and the social media posts say this but from a canon perspective it's ambiguous unless I missed a line somewhere.
Unfortunately I don't recall which novel it was that first established this point. I will have to get back to you on that.
"The Return" had it being disassembled and removed in pieces from the planet. "Ship of the Line" mentioned (potentially consistent with either version) that salvaged materials and components were integrated into the Enterprise-E during construction (so I guess that was the "new refit" of the -D at the time).
The close-up flyover of the -D in the finale seemed to show the Observation Lounge conference table having a lit top, as on the -E. If the -E was still in a condition to have parts retrieved from it, it could've been the same table that was used on both ships and eventually returned.
The close-up flyover of the -D in the finale seemed to show the Observation Lounge conference table having a lit top, as on the -E. If the -E was still in a condition to have parts retrieved from it, it could've been the same table that was used on both ships and eventually returned.
I bet the Veridians came up with some interesting legends about that crater. 
Veridians be like...I bet the Veridians came up with some interesting legends about that crater.
What killed the Veridian dinosaurs, supposedly...
So it was lasting Borg damage that killed his original body? And (in AGT) gave him dementia?
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So it would seem! Though I think that if Jean-Luc had not subjected his original body to the kinds of profound stress he subjected himself to in the month leading up to "Et in Arcadia Ego, Parts I & II," his original body may well have lived for years to come.
