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Paramount apparently still doesn't get it...


Well, I don't believe Maggie will fall in love with Negan, or rather, it should not happen.

Only one Star Wars streaming series has looked theatrical and that's Andor, and even it doesn't look as expensive as one of the Sequel Trilogy movies.

None of the streaming SW series look or feel like films. They look like any other streaming series of this era, and bears little resemblance to the scope and style of the OT.

Eh, I really don't care whether Section 31 happens or not. I will never watch it. I gave PIC a chance even though I already kinda knew I wouldn't like it, and it turned out yes, I didn't like it.
I have even less interest in a show or movie or TV holiday special about Section 31.

Agreed; Section 31 as a concept was never what its creators wanted it to be; I feel so many ST writers have no idea how to write that kind of story, much less understand the concept. Like you, I have no interest in Section 31 no matter the format. I doubt it will be a hit--unless its tries to hook the die-hards with episodes overloaded with Easter Eggs tied to the other series.
 
The great thing about getting Michelle Yeoh to do this is that she did STAR TREK before getting all these awards, and pretty much the first thing after them... she wants to go do more STAR TREK.

That sends a great message to other high profile, award winning actors and actresses... there are a lot of them that are fans of the franchise, but are simply too expensive to be approached seriously by the producers. This might actually make them come to the producers for a change... they might even be willing to settle for a dollar value not quite as high as what they would normally receive. (That is probably more wishful thinking on my part, but I'll take that small chance.)

Everything about this scenario looks like a win to me.
 
they might even be willing to settle for a dollar value not quite as high as what they would normally receive. (That is probably more wishful thinking on my part, but I'll take that small chance.)
Definitely wishful thinking. To do so would screw their chances of getting their normal wage the next project they went to do. At most, they were really serious about wanting to do Trek but Trek couldn't afford to pay them their usual fee, they'd go without a listing in the credits. In a strict legal sense, that makes it look like they weren't on the show, meaning they can accept a lower wage without it hurting future negotiations. Which is the exact situation with Frank Langella when he was on DS9 and why he wasn't credited.

Studios aren't typically a fan of doing this since if they can't list the actor in the credits, they also can't mention the actor in the promotional material, which essentially negates the whole purpose of having a big name actor.
 
The reason paramount "doesn't get it" has more to do with modern society and the internet.

Everyone's become arrogant and egotistical and selfish and fake, with no experience, knowledge, talent, skill, or intellect to back it up.

Let's go back 60 years ago. Back then, being on TV or movies was a HUGE deal. You would almost instantly be famous. There were few channels. This pressured all the employees at these studios to create memorable, intellectual, and just great shows that people would be talking about for months and years.

This continued up until the early 2000s, where slowly quality had gone down.

With the advent of high speed internet, and a new generation of kids who didn't know life before the internet, aka, where everyone who was employed in media was FORCED to push out GREAT content, now, everyone's arrogant because their social media accounts got a few likes when they shoved their inexperienced, ignorant faces in the camera for 10 seconds to say and or do something stupid, and this only validated.to them.that their stupidity is actually their genius.

This is why everything is bad.

Ffs these kids are copying video games like mass effect and portal and trying to pass it off as an original story. Let's not forget the space mushrooms that someone ripped off for discovery. These kids are so pathetic, they don't even copy the BEST games, they copy some obscure game ONLY they like but are too ashamed to tell their few fake friends that they like it, so instead they copy the games plot line in the show they're tasked to write for.

No skill is required anymore to be employed in media. None.

And people are being pressured to get upset at the truth.

When Shatner said "Roddenberry would be turning in his grave at some of the stuff star trek puts out today", media companies started crying and everyone called him a "jerk". But I knew exactly what he meant because I understood this since day 1 episode 1 of discovery. Heck I knew this since "star trek" 2009. I bet Shatner watched parts of that movie and quickly turned it off in disgust. Meanwhile the fans who may not be critical.thinkers are easily pressured and puppeteered to accept the new trash and like it because they manipulate people psychological fear of feeling or being left out or having a target pointed at them. People desperately want to fit in, so when a billion dollar corporation pressures them to do so and has mass reach, everyone does it.

If no one here had this fear, we would all have decided long ago that new trek isnt Canon despite what paramount says, and we wouldn't care to watch the new stuff either. We would put up a list of what made trek, trek, and we'd fine none of the new shows check more than like 2% of the full list, and we would unanimously say the new stuff isn't trek.nor Canon.

But no, don't dare say anything bad, or like zombies, the ones who were pressured to defect to the dark side will send their armies of afraid people after you to pressure you to accept the new garbage or they will shun you.

I don't care. All of you people can laugh at me and hate me for all I care. Your CONFORMIST "opinions" are irrelevant to me. And I'm willing to bet at least HALF the people.here feel the same way but are just afraid to speak out fearing the onslaught of the conformists coming at them to destroy their online reputation. Anyone here who attacks fans for pointing out their dislike of new trek by trying to destroy their reputation, is a despicable shill. If you really like new trek, use arguments. But all I see is peolle going after reputations to force conformity because there is not ONE reason for anyone to like new trek
 
The reason paramount "doesn't get it" has more to do with modern society and the internet.

Everyone's become arrogant and egotistical and selfish and fake, with no experience, knowledge, talent, skill, or intellect to back it up.

Let's go back 60 years ago. Back then, being on TV or movies was a HUGE deal. You would almost instantly be famous. There were few channels. This pressured all the employees at these studios to create memorable, intellectual, and just great shows that people would be talking about for months and years.

This continued up until the early 2000s, where slowly quality had gone down.

With the advent of high speed internet, and a new generation of kids who didn't know life before the internet, aka, where everyone who was employed in media was FORCED to push out GREAT content, now, everyone's arrogant because their social media accounts got a few likes when they shoved their inexperienced, ignorant faces in the camera for 10 seconds to say and or do something stupid, and this only validated.to them.that their stupidity is actually their genius.

This is why everything is bad.

Ffs these kids are copying video games like mass effect and portal and trying to pass it off as an original story. Let's not forget the space mushrooms that someone ripped off for discovery. These kids are so pathetic, they don't even copy the BEST games, they copy some obscure game ONLY they like but are too ashamed to tell their few fake friends that they like it, so instead they copy the games plot line in the show they're tasked to write for.

No skill is required anymore to be employed in media. None.

And people are being pressured to get upset at the truth.

When Shatner said "Roddenberry would be turning in his grave at some of the stuff star trek puts out today", media companies started crying and everyone called him a "jerk". But I knew exactly what he meant because I understood this since day 1 episode 1 of discovery. Heck I knew this since "star trek" 2009. I bet Shatner watched parts of that movie and quickly turned it off in disgust. Meanwhile the fans who may not be critical.thinkers are easily pressured and puppeteered to accept the new trash and like it because they manipulate people psychological fear of feeling or being left out or having a target pointed at them. People desperately want to fit in, so when a billion dollar corporation pressures them to do so and has mass reach, everyone does it.

If no one here had this fear, we would all have decided long ago that new trek isnt Canon despite what paramount says, and we wouldn't care to watch the new stuff either. We would put up a list of what made trek, trek, and we'd fine none of the new shows check more than like 2% of the full list, and we would unanimously say the new stuff isn't trek.nor Canon.

But no, don't dare say anything bad, or like zombies, the ones who were pressured to defect to the dark side will send their armies of afraid people after you to pressure you to accept the new garbage or they will shun you.

I don't care. All of you people can laugh at me and hate me for all I care. Your CONFORMIST "opinions" are irrelevant to me. And I'm willing to bet at least HALF the people.here feel the same way but are just afraid to speak out fearing the onslaught of the conformists coming at them to destroy their online reputation. Anyone here who attacks fans for pointing out their dislike of new trek by trying to destroy their reputation, is a despicable shill. If you really like new trek, use arguments. But all I see is peolle going after reputations to force conformity because there is not ONE reason for anyone to like new trek

Get off the cross. We need the wood for Pike's new table.
First: TLDR
second, I scanned it and saw a bunch of insults, empassioned statements, feelings of insecurity and a fear you may be made fun of.
as a suggestion, maybe tackle one of those things at a time, and you'll get responded to in a meaningful way. Everyone is here to discuss our favorite show.

But until then here's an awesome picture of Saru kicking Burnham like a donkey that i am posting for no reason at all
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The reason paramount "doesn't get it" has more to do with modern society and the internet.

Everyone's become arrogant and egotistical and selfish and fake, with no experience, knowledge, talent, skill, or intellect to back it up.

Let's go back 60 years ago. Back then, being on TV or movies was a HUGE deal. You would almost instantly be famous. There were few channels. This pressured all the employees at these studios to create memorable, intellectual, and just great shows that people would be talking about for months and years.

This continued up until the early 2000s, where slowly quality had gone down.

With the advent of high speed internet, and a new generation of kids who didn't know life before the internet, aka, where everyone who was employed in media was FORCED to push out GREAT content, now, everyone's arrogant because their social media accounts got a few likes when they shoved their inexperienced, ignorant faces in the camera for 10 seconds to say and or do something stupid, and this only validated.to them.that their stupidity is actually their genius.

This is why everything is bad.

Ffs these kids are copying video games like mass effect and portal and trying to pass it off as an original story. Let's not forget the space mushrooms that someone ripped off for discovery. These kids are so pathetic, they don't even copy the BEST games, they copy some obscure game ONLY they like but are too ashamed to tell their few fake friends that they like it, so instead they copy the games plot line in the show they're tasked to write for.

No skill is required anymore to be employed in media. None.

And people are being pressured to get upset at the truth.

When Shatner said "Roddenberry would be turning in his grave at some of the stuff star trek puts out today", media companies started crying and everyone called him a "jerk". But I knew exactly what he meant because I understood this since day 1 episode 1 of discovery. Heck I knew this since "star trek" 2009. I bet Shatner watched parts of that movie and quickly turned it off in disgust. Meanwhile the fans who may not be critical.thinkers are easily pressured and puppeteered to accept the new trash and like it because they manipulate people psychological fear of feeling or being left out or having a target pointed at them. People desperately want to fit in, so when a billion dollar corporation pressures them to do so and has mass reach, everyone does it.

If no one here had this fear, we would all have decided long ago that new trek isnt Canon despite what paramount says, and we wouldn't care to watch the new stuff either. We would put up a list of what made trek, trek, and we'd fine none of the new shows check more than like 2% of the full list, and we would unanimously say the new stuff isn't trek.nor Canon.

But no, don't dare say anything bad, or like zombies, the ones who were pressured to defect to the dark side will send their armies of afraid people after you to pressure you to accept the new garbage or they will shun you.

I don't care. All of you people can laugh at me and hate me for all I care. Your CONFORMIST "opinions" are irrelevant to me. And I'm willing to bet at least HALF the people.here feel the same way but are just afraid to speak out fearing the onslaught of the conformists coming at them to destroy their online reputation. Anyone here who attacks fans for pointing out their dislike of new trek by trying to destroy their reputation, is a despicable shill. If you really like new trek, use arguments. But all I see is peolle going after reputations to force conformity because there is not ONE reason for anyone to like new trek
There are a lot of people who don't like Star Trek after a certain point whose opinions I respect.

You, on the other hand, are not someone who's serious about anything you type and are just looking for reactions.
 
The reason paramount "doesn't get it" has more to do with modern society and the internet.

Everyone's become arrogant and egotistical and selfish and fake, with no experience, knowledge, talent, skill, or intellect to back it up.

Let's go back 60 years ago. Back then, being on TV or movies was a HUGE deal. You would almost instantly be famous. There were few channels. This pressured all the employees at these studios to create memorable, intellectual, and just great shows that people would be talking about for months and years.

This continued up until the early 2000s, where slowly quality had gone down.

With the advent of high speed internet, and a new generation of kids who didn't know life before the internet, aka, where everyone who was employed in media was FORCED to push out GREAT content, now, everyone's arrogant because their social media accounts got a few likes when they shoved their inexperienced, ignorant faces in the camera for 10 seconds to say and or do something stupid, and this only validated.to them.that their stupidity is actually their genius.

This is why everything is bad.

Ffs these kids are copying video games like mass effect and portal and trying to pass it off as an original story. Let's not forget the space mushrooms that someone ripped off for discovery. These kids are so pathetic, they don't even copy the BEST games, they copy some obscure game ONLY they like but are too ashamed to tell their few fake friends that they like it, so instead they copy the games plot line in the show they're tasked to write for.

No skill is required anymore to be employed in media. None.

And people are being pressured to get upset at the truth.

When Shatner said "Roddenberry would be turning in his grave at some of the stuff star trek puts out today", media companies started crying and everyone called him a "jerk". But I knew exactly what he meant because I understood this since day 1 episode 1 of discovery. Heck I knew this since "star trek" 2009. I bet Shatner watched parts of that movie and quickly turned it off in disgust. Meanwhile the fans who may not be critical.thinkers are easily pressured and puppeteered to accept the new trash and like it because they manipulate people psychological fear of feeling or being left out or having a target pointed at them. People desperately want to fit in, so when a billion dollar corporation pressures them to do so and has mass reach, everyone does it.

If no one here had this fear, we would all have decided long ago that new trek isnt Canon despite what paramount says, and we wouldn't care to watch the new stuff either. We would put up a list of what made trek, trek, and we'd fine none of the new shows check more than like 2% of the full list, and we would unanimously say the new stuff isn't trek.nor Canon.

But no, don't dare say anything bad, or like zombies, the ones who were pressured to defect to the dark side will send their armies of afraid people after you to pressure you to accept the new garbage or they will shun you.

I don't care. All of you people can laugh at me and hate me for all I care. Your CONFORMIST "opinions" are irrelevant to me. And I'm willing to bet at least HALF the people.here feel the same way but are just afraid to speak out fearing the onslaught of the conformists coming at them to destroy their online reputation. Anyone here who attacks fans for pointing out their dislike of new trek by trying to destroy their reputation, is a despicable shill. If you really like new trek, use arguments. But all I see is peolle going after reputations to force conformity because there is not ONE reason for anyone to like new trek

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Everyone's become arrogant and egotistical and selfish and fake, with no experience, knowledge, talent, skill, or intellect to back it up
Old man yells at cloud.
Ffs these kids are copying video games like mass effect and portal and trying to pass it off as an original story. Let's not forget the space mushrooms that someone ripped off for discovery. These kids are so pathetic, they don't even copy the BEST games, they copy some obscure game ONLY they like but are too ashamed to tell their few fake friends that they like it, so instead they copy the games plot line in the show they're tasked to write for.
Old man believes nonsense clickbait on the internet without actually looking into it, murdering any credibility anyone may have thought he had.
 
Old man yells at cloud.

Old man believes nonsense clickbait on the internet without actually looking into it, murdering any credibility anyone may have thought he had.

I suppose CBS settled that case for.no reason at all, did they..and I bet the person who included that plot point, somehow got promoted to a higher position, raising the level of arrogance even further at paramount. Yes Picard season 1 copied mass effect, and another season copied elements of portal the game. I understand by defending the status quo you ensure you'll have a bunch of people who will invite you to dinner, but I'm wayyyy past that phase of caring. I was past that phase at age 23. I can't believe there are 30-40 year Olds who still care what random people think of them. I keep getting my character attacked even though I haven't personally insulted anyone here. I've clearly stated my love for trek and my disgust for new trek.


Now normal, logical people, especially those whove watched trek and youd think understood logic and were partially inspired by Spock or tuvok, would start citing facts and evidence for why I am wrong, and why new trek is truly worthy of being called trek.

But nope. Your fear kicks in, and you attack my character and insult me for daring to challenge the status quo, all to draw attention to yourself and say "see. I'm attacking him. Im with you. Nutrek is best. I'm loyal to the status quo. Please like me", and now I'm sure you'll tell me how you're totally not being conformist, but then, why attack me personally and not challenge me with evidence? People conform and know it's bad, yet they do it anyway to fit in like a hive mind due to some fear of being singled out or alone, but when called out on it, quickly claim they're not conforming. Then what are you people doing by insulting me when I have only attacked the employees at paramount for producing trash?

You realize had they made a trek show that had the "spirit" of tng/ds9 etc and had similar stories and writing style, I wouldn't be here upset at paramounts talentless arrogant workers for ruining trek. Anything after st 2009 including movies and shows for me isn't Canon, and if anyone here grew up watching real trek, and was/is a real fan, they'd have no fear in coming out and agreeing with me, even if there are people here they know will instantly attack their character in a sad attempt to appear "loyal" to a status quo who obviously has more wealth and influence than we do, because we have true love and passion for trek, the people defending the status quo don't even realize they're being used as literal cannon fodder by paramount. All that work they do insulting fans with passion will be for nothing when they realize they won't get any special invitations to paramount or be friends with their talentless employees no matter how much they try to defend them.here.
 
I suppose CBS settled that case for.no reason at all, did they..and I bet the person who included that plot point, somehow got promoted to a higher position, raising the level of arrogance even further at paramount. Yes Picard season 1 copied mass effect, and another season copied elements of portal the game. I understand by defending the status quo you ensure you'll have a bunch of people who will invite you to dinner, but I'm wayyyy past that phase of caring. I was past that phase at age 23. I can't believe there are 30-40 year Olds who still care what random people think of them. I keep getting my character attacked even though I haven't personally insulted anyone here. I've clearly stated my love for trek and my disgust for new trek.


Now normal, logical people, especially those whove watched trek and youd think understood logic and were partially inspired by Spock or tuvok, would start citing facts and evidence for why I am wrong, and why new trek is truly worthy of being called trek.

But nope. Your fear kicks in, and you attack my character and insult me for daring to challenge the status quo, all to draw attention to yourself and say "see. I'm attacking him. Im with you. Nutrek is best. I'm loyal to the status quo. Please like me", and now I'm sure you'll tell me how you're totally not being conformist, but then, why attack me personally and not challenge me with evidence? People conform and know it's bad, yet they do it anyway to fit in like a hive mind due to some fear of being singled out or alone, but when called out on it, quickly claim they're not conforming. Then what are you people doing by insulting me when I have only attacked the employees at paramount for producing trash?

You realize had they made a trek show that had the "spirit" of tng/ds9 etc and had similar stories and writing style, I wouldn't be here upset at paramounts talentless arrogant workers for ruining trek. Anything after st 2009 including movies and shows for me isn't Canon, and if anyone here grew up watching real trek, and was/is a real fan, they'd have no fear in coming out and agreeing with me, even if there are people here they know will instantly attack their character in a sad attempt to appear "loyal" to a status quo who obviously has more wealth and influence than we do, because we have true love and passion for trek, the people defending the status quo don't even realize they're being used as literal cannon fodder by paramount. All that work they do insulting fans with passion will be for nothing when they realize they won't get any special invitations to paramount or be friends with their talentless employees no matter how much they try to defend them.here.


I read everything you wrote in this thread and personally i believe that you are one of the very few sane people around here who are actually able to articulate the issues of modern Trek.

Most of these other guys just can’t accept that Trek has declared artistic bankruptcy long ago and on top aren’t able to accept the changes which are necessary to make Star Trek a successful franchise again.

They will come around, eventually…
 
The reason paramount "doesn't get it" has more to do with modern society and the internet.

Everyone's become arrogant and egotistical and selfish and fake, with no experience, knowledge, talent, skill, or intellect to back it up.

Let's go back 60 years ago. Back then, being on TV or movies was a HUGE deal. You would almost instantly be famous. There were few channels. This pressured all the employees at these studios to create memorable, intellectual, and just great shows that people would be talking about for months and years.

This continued up until the early 2000s, where slowly quality had gone down.

With the advent of high speed internet, and a new generation of kids who didn't know life before the internet, aka, where everyone who was employed in media was FORCED to push out GREAT content, now, everyone's arrogant because their social media accounts got a few likes when they shoved their inexperienced, ignorant faces in the camera for 10 seconds to say and or do something stupid, and this only validated.to them.that their stupidity is actually their genius.

This is why everything is bad.

Ffs these kids are copying video games like mass effect and portal and trying to pass it off as an original story. Let's not forget the space mushrooms that someone ripped off for discovery. These kids are so pathetic, they don't even copy the BEST games, they copy some obscure game ONLY they like but are too ashamed to tell their few fake friends that they like it, so instead they copy the games plot line in the show they're tasked to write for.

No skill is required anymore to be employed in media. None.

And people are being pressured to get upset at the truth.

When Shatner said "Roddenberry would be turning in his grave at some of the stuff star trek puts out today", media companies started crying and everyone called him a "jerk". But I knew exactly what he meant because I understood this since day 1 episode 1 of discovery. Heck I knew this since "star trek" 2009. I bet Shatner watched parts of that movie and quickly turned it off in disgust. Meanwhile the fans who may not be critical.thinkers are easily pressured and puppeteered to accept the new trash and like it because they manipulate people psychological fear of feeling or being left out or having a target pointed at them. People desperately want to fit in, so when a billion dollar corporation pressures them to do so and has mass reach, everyone does it.

If no one here had this fear, we would all have decided long ago that new trek isnt Canon despite what paramount says, and we wouldn't care to watch the new stuff either. We would put up a list of what made trek, trek, and we'd fine none of the new shows check more than like 2% of the full list, and we would unanimously say the new stuff isn't trek.nor Canon.

But no, don't dare say anything bad, or like zombies, the ones who were pressured to defect to the dark side will send their armies of afraid people after you to pressure you to accept the new garbage or they will shun you.

I don't care. All of you people can laugh at me and hate me for all I care. Your CONFORMIST "opinions" are irrelevant to me. And I'm willing to bet at least HALF the people.here feel the same way but are just afraid to speak out fearing the onslaught of the conformists coming at them to destroy their online reputation. Anyone here who attacks fans for pointing out their dislike of new trek by trying to destroy their reputation, is a despicable shill. If you really like new trek, use arguments. But all I see is peolle going after reputations to force conformity because there is not ONE reason for anyone to like new trek

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Whatever your opinions about NuTrek, your posts are unhinged diatribes against the people here who enjoy it. You're the one insulting and belittling people here with all this "pressured and puppeteered" nonsense. Plenty of people here don't like NuTrek. And for the most part, nobody cares.

Your posts are so over the top my Hyperbole Meter broke. There's no way you're intending to have a rational discussion when you come at people like that.

Dial it back or you'll receive a formal warning.
 
I'd argue Trek is in the best place it's been since the early 90s when you had the TOS-era finishing up on a strong note, TNG in its prime, DS9 just starting, and VOY in development.

We now have five different shows, some ending but with more on the way, all of them markedly distinct from one another in terms of tone, setting, style, etc. There's truly a Trek show for everyone (well, almost everyone...) - PLUS there are TV movies coming up. It's a very exciting time especially compared to the early 2010s when we had nothing but the Kelvin movies and purely hypothetical TV shows to discuss.
 
Completely agreed.

It's a golden age in terms of variety for pretty much every type of fan. And while I don't think that many of the seasons work at all (live action ones), I can live with it and enjoy the parts I do like while REALLY enjoying the other shows I really love.
 
Most of these other guys just can’t accept that Trek has declared artistic bankruptcy long ago and on top aren’t able to accept the changes which are necessary to make Star Trek a successful franchise again.
But enough about Enterprise.

Also, define success. 5 shows on going is pretty damn successful.
 
Even the ones who are in favor of the current state of the franchise should at least have noticed, that reception towards Picard S3 was exceptionally good.

S03E10 received a 9.6 on IMDB, this is „BobW“ territory and overall it is (currently) the best rated Trek episode of all times.

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98% Tomatometer / 90% audience score are in the ballpark of Breaking Bad. People love Picard Season 3, they dont love:
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These things matter, even though some people around here still claim that CBS gives a rat’s ass about ratings and reception.

You can easily predict, that execs at CBS will reconsider the path they laid out for Trek. And one can also assume that the Starfleet Academy show will not be placed in the 32nd century. And one can project, that they will greenlight Star Trek Legacy asap…

I am willing to bet against anyone, who still thinks that the Starfleet Academy show will be set in the 32nd. Stake: 100$ Doctors without Borders donation. I hope this doesnt go against the rules of this message board..
 
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