It's absurdity at its finest.
Paramount apparently still doesn't get it...
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Case in point for the title of this thread. Like, what the hell?
I love Michelle Yeoh.
I love the idea of Trek streaming movies.
I love spy stuff, also in Star Trek.
I love dumb, scenery chewing villain stuff.
But, could we, like, NOT make a cannibal dictator that committed genocide a hero character...? Especially in this times? The good guy authorian leader starting wars and having a heart change is extremely disrespectful. And it's not even a trope. It's one-of-a-kind stupid.
Next up: A "walking dead" spin-off where the woman learns to forgive, respect & fall in love with the guy that bashed her husband's head in with a baseball bat. And Paramount+ celebrates black history month by giving Leonardo DiCaprio's character from Django unchained a fun spin-off movie.
Conservative Hollywood is pretty fucked in the head right now.
Case in point for the title of this thread. Like, what the hell?
I love Michelle Yeoh.
I love the idea of Trek streaming movies.
I love spy stuff, also in Star Trek.
I love dumb, scenery chewing villain stuff.
But, could we, like, NOT make a cannibal dictator that committed genocide a hero character...? Especially in this times? The good guy authorian leader starting wars and having a heart change is extremely disrespectful. And it's not even a trope. It's one-of-a-kind stupid.
Next up: A "walking dead" spin-off where the woman learns to forgive, respect & fall in love with the guy that bashed her husband's head in with a baseball bat. And Paramount+ celebrates black history month by giving Leonardo DiCaprio's character from Django unchained a fun spin-off movie.
Conservative Hollywood is pretty fucked in the head right now.
I mean, I'm open to a story about a monster who has a change of heart and seeks redemption, but I would suggest that at least part of what Star Trek: Section 31 needs to do is establish that Phillipa was lying for clout every time she claimed to have genocided people.
Humanity can evolve. Except those humans. Those humans suck.
The Mirror O'Brien has always been proof the Mirror Universe could produce good, decent Terrans. Maybe the Guardian of Forever sending Georgiou back in time changes her for the better. Burnham had already had an impact on her outlook. I just hope they take full advantage of what changes we did see in DSC Season 3.
Quibble: I don't think the Guardian of Forever sending her back in time to the Mirror Universe is what changed her. I think living in and having relationships with citizens of the United Federation of Planets is what changed her. The events of "Terra Firma, Parts I & II" didn't cause the change; they revealed the change.
Well, I did acknowledge Burnham had already changed her to a degree. I'm theorizing the Guardian giving her a second chance by sending her back leads to even more evolution of her as a person. The process began the day she entered our universe so the Guardian is just helping her along by giving her a chance for redemption in the past.
Ah, I understand what you mean now. I think we have slightly different interpretations of "Terra Firma," but yours is just as valid.
I doubt they will do that for this movie. They seem to think the 'Emperor Georgiou' character and all her cardboard, stereotypical dictatoring is the greatest thing since sliced bread. She's an absolutely horrible character. The only redeeming quality she has is the actor who plays her.
You do know that's actually happening, right?
Here's a sort of deep-in-the-weeds question I have about doing periodic TV movies versus dedicated series going forward ... I've seen people argue that something like the Section 31 movie is probably what we'll be seeing more of going forward as a cost-saving measure from Paramount+. That maybe a "Legacy" series is unlikely, but instead Paramount will do a series of Legacy films. But I wonder if that argument holds up.
It seems to me that unless you're going to reuse/redress sets (maybe the SNW or Discovery/Starfleet Academy sets), that it would be a costly undertaking to rebuild everything one would need for each 2-hour movie (especially if each movie has divergent subjects, time periods, settings, etc.), where you could probably justify those costs better for something that was spread across an 8-10 episode series. That's even before getting into the VFX, costuming, etc. costs.
Also, unless you're doing one-offs where each movie was a one and done where they weren't serialized, they would need to keep actors under contract in some way for these movies.
It seems to me that unless you're going to reuse/redress sets (maybe the SNW or Discovery/Starfleet Academy sets), that it would be a costly undertaking to rebuild everything one would need for each 2-hour movie (especially if each movie has divergent subjects, time periods, settings, etc.), where you could probably justify those costs better for something that was spread across an 8-10 episode series. That's even before getting into the VFX, costuming, etc. costs.
Also, unless you're doing one-offs where each movie was a one and done where they weren't serialized, they would need to keep actors under contract in some way for these movies.
Yeah, traditionally a series was more cost effective because you can amortise the costs across the whole season, or multiple seasons. This was partly why Discovery was reconceived from an anthology show to a continuing series.
I don't think you would do a movie as a cost-saving exercise. I think it's more likely that it's to do with securing Yeoh's availability for a shorter shoot.
Not sure what this means for future films or miniseries. Perhaps it'll be the way to go for Legacy characters too.
I don't think you would do a movie as a cost-saving exercise. I think it's more likely that it's to do with securing Yeoh's availability for a shorter shoot.
Not sure what this means for future films or miniseries. Perhaps it'll be the way to go for Legacy characters too.
I'm very curious what the budget for these TV movies is gonna be. I'm definitely expecting "Dark Frontier" the TV movie rather than anything theatrical quality.
I'm thinking it may be along the lines of how Obi-Wan Kenobi or even The Mandalorian look compared to the Prequels or the Sequels. Lavish but you'll still be able to tell it's a streaming product and not a $200 million theatrical film. There'll be compromises to get effects done and onscreen but it'll all be effective enough that only the most pedantic among us will complain about the quality.
Only one Star Wars streaming series has looked theatrical and that's Andor, and even it doesn't look as expensive as one of the Sequel Trilogy movies.
Streaming services don't care about viewing numbers, they care about subscription numbers.
Long running series are good at keeping audiences subscribed. But they're not attracting any new subscribers.
A new series or movie gives you buzz in the media, and could attract new subscribers. But a movie is much cheaper to produce than a whole new series.
There may be more movies like Section 31 in the future
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Eh, I really don't care whether Section 31 happens or not. I will never watch it. I gave PIC a chance even though I already kinda knew I wouldn't like it, and it turned out yes, I didn't like it.
I have even less interest in a show or movie or TV holiday special about Section 31.
But I do hope it will fulfil the hopes/wishes of those who want to see it.
I have even less interest in a show or movie or TV holiday special about Section 31.
But I do hope it will fulfil the hopes/wishes of those who want to see it.
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