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[KirkusOveractus]

Don't understand this need to rate Trek based on how close a link it had to Roddenberry. He was a lousy writer and had it not been for people that were hired to produce his creations he would still have been writing parking tickets in LA.

To me, every production says, "Based Upon 'Star Trek' Created By Gene Roddenberry". There's the link to Gene.

 

[Racefuel]

Slapping the name "Star Trek" on something doesn't make it the same.




All the cast does is act. And occasionally direct an episode. The cast never made Star Trek, even if they did act it out on the screen. All the nuts and bolts that made it what it was came from Gene, Rick, Michael Piller, Maurice Hurley, et al. It's the formula that kept Trek on screen for 4 television series and 4 feature films, all based in the same time period and all sharing the same basic script bible & production designs.

SNW, even though it may turn out yet to be an excellent show, does not share that same pedigree. And once The Last Generation is released it's doubtful there will ever be anymore Trek on TV or streaming that does.

This is a remarkably narrow vision for a franchise that prides itself on Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.

 

[Lord Garth]

Don't understand this need to rate Trek based on how close a link it had to Roddenberry. He was a lousy writer and had it not been for people that were hired to produce his creations he would still have been writing parking tickets in LA.

To me, every production says, "Based Upon 'Star Trek' Created By Gene Roddenberry". There's the link to Gene.

Yeah. If we went by what Gene Roddenberry would've approved of, that would knock out most of the Star Trek I like that was made from 1982 onward.

 

[fireproof78]

This is a remarkably narrow vision for a franchise that prides itself on Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.

To borrow from MASH:
"What about individuality."
"Well individuality is fine as long as we all do it together."

Yeah. If we went by what Gene Roddenberry would've approved of, that would knock out most of the Star Trek I like that was made from 1982 onward.

Is TWOK finally out? I can never keep up with these popularity polls.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Yeah. If we went by what Gene Roddenberry would've approved of, that would knock out most of the Star Trek I like that was made from 1982 onward.

And in 1982 we would have had Spock shooting JFK to preserve Earth's history.

 

[LongHauler]

You are using the same reply word for word twice?

I am. In his rabid frothing he overlooked the fact that I had already addressed the very thing he was claiming in another reply. Why change the words?

The TNG cast, by and large, were handpicked by Rodenberry. Majel practically adopted Marina in 87, metaphorically speaking. You want your Rodenberry lineage still on screen — there it is. The cast are the last remaining direct link.

It's not just that actors are there. Or the Enterprise D. This feels like TNG. Not Picard or one of the other Nu Trek creations.

Not that it matters hugely, many fictional constructs have had life beyond their original creator after all, with various levels of success.

None of which would be relevant in this case.

 

[Tuskin38]

and "woke" ideas

Star Trek has been “woke” since 1966

 

[fireproof78]

It's not just that actors are there. Or the Enterprise D. This feels like TNG. Not Picard or one of the other Nu Trek creations.

Ah, yes, the "feels" rule. This always comes across as the "obscenity definition." I can't describe it but I know it when I see it. Feels very arbitrary, and artificial, with the only purpose being to eliminate content not approved by the viewer.

Which is funny because TWOK and TUC should be right the door in that case.

 

[Tuskin38]

Not Picard or one of the other Nu Trek creations.

It feels the same as the first two seasons as to me.

 

[Campe]

It feels the same as the first two seasons as to me.

In a lot of ways yes.

 

[fireproof78]

It feels the same as the first two seasons as to me.

Yup. Tonally there is little difference across this series.

 

[Lord Garth]

Is TWOK finally out? I can never keep up with these popularity polls.

I think so. It didn't come out in the '90s, and Rick's name is nowhere to be found.

 

[SJGardner]

This is a remarkably narrow vision for a franchise that prides itself on Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations, as long as it caters to my exact expectations, wishes, needs and worldview, and lets me forget about the existence of literally anything and everything that I don't particularly like, including storylines, fiction tropes, abstract concepts, minorities, specific people, and the effects of my own rose-tinted nostalgia glasses.

 

[jaime]

Don't understand this need to rate Trek based on how close a link it had to Roddenberry. He was a lousy writer and had it not been for people that were hired to produce his creations he would still have been writing parking tickets in LA.

To me, every production says, "Based Upon 'Star Trek' Created By Gene Roddenberry". There's the link to Gene.

I can understand it. ‘Based Upon’ can do a lot of heavy lifting, cover a multitude of sins, and can on occasion be a prelude to a metaphoric kick in the ‘nads. (Step Forward: The Watch *which was abysmal and disowned by every true heir to Terry Pratchett and with bloody good reason*)

In this case though, *every* Trek series made directly featured TOS or TNG characters in some way. DSC is the only one that hasn’t carried over an actor along with that, that I can think of (SNW stuck in that Cage ‘previously on’… in fact, thinking about it, didn’t we get something similar for Unification III? I think I stopped watching by that point.) but it is the edgy teen that doesn’t like to admit it’s family roots as much as the others.

Frakes and Sirtis are literally the most obvious example of that thru-line, and to be honest they should squeeze a time travel plot into SNW and DSC featuring them whilst they still can. DS9 is the only show that didn’t get both of them in.

 

[jaime]

I am. In his rabid frothing he overlooked the fact that I had already addressed the very thing he was claiming in another reply. Why change the words?



It's not just that actors are there. Or the Enterprise D. This feels like TNG. Not Picard or one of the other Nu Trek creations.



None of which would be relevant in this case.

This series does feel more like the hybrid of TNG and the Movie Era that it intends to be, whereas Series One just felt like diet Nemesis with ninety-percent less TNG. Series Two felt like something else entirely, and mostly a weird remake of a DS9 two parter. Which is a shame, as all the new characters and actors were good, but the stories they were in weren’t very good for them.

Now it’s back on track, but I can’t really say those elements —or even DSC which I do not much care for at all — are not Trek or descended from that series Gene started. (And as others have pointed out, it’s really not in any way down to just him anyway. I would always say Dorothy Fontana is actually the single biggest person of importance, and after that Piller, then Taylor and Behr, and ultimately it’s Braga than finishes things — and Picard owes a huge debt to his comic series ‘Hive’.)

 

[jaime]

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations, as long as it caters to my exact expectations, wishes, needs and worldview, and lets me forget about the existence of literally anything and everything that I don't particularly like, including storylines, fiction tropes, abstract concepts, minorities, specific people, and the effects of my own rose-tinted nostalgia glasses.

IDIC was invented to sell enamelled pins to jaded hippies, in the hope it would eventually swing an invite to a party with some Armenian girls. (Now this, this, is a deep cut Trek lore reference…)

 

[The Old Mixer]

WTF do fan films have to do with anything I wrote, (you're the only one referencing anything WRT unofficial fan made Star Trek productions.)

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is an official Paramount Star Trek production.

Hell, you're also the one who wrote:


Yet Gene Roddenberry passed in 1991. If Star Trek productions through 2005 had "...some tie back to Gene..."; SNW DEFINITELY ALSO HAS TIES BACK TO GENE RODDENBERRY, AS IT'S USING ORIGINAL CHARACTERS HE PERSONALLY CREATED.

In his rabid frothing

 

[Nerys Myk]

Star Trek has been “woke” since 1966

It may not have invented woke but it was there on the ground floor.

 

[Racefuel]

I'm still trying to square how you can be a Star Trek fan yet scream about "woke".

Unless of course its just the ships and space battles people reaaaally like, in which case..there's another franchise for that

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm still trying to square how you can be a Star Trek fan yet scream about "woke".

Unless of course its just the ships and space battles people reaaaally like, in which case..there's another franchise for that

They don't like "woke" in that one either.