Take a random wartime episode of DS9 and a random episode of SNW, and look at them. Which is more Roddenberrian? The SNW episode.
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And SNW ties back to the 23rd century Star trek Universe that was created by Gene Roddenberry and Gene L. Coon. I mean if you're going to say above (as you do) : From 1993 to 2005 almost every element of Trek we saw on screen had at least some tie back to Gene...
Then Star Trek: Strange New Worlds DEFINITELY has the same type of tie in. Hell in S1 they practically did a remake of TOS S1 Balance Of Terror.
Essentially, every Star Trek production made since Roddenberry passed has a tie back to Gene. Says so in the credits.
It’s pretty much why the modern shows went to Rod Rodenberry — if you can’t get Berman, the sort of ‘named inheritor’ of the show, then you at least get the actual heir to give it a seal of approval.
SNW is like this kinda cool, kinda weird, mash-up of Phase II and an extrapolation from ‘The Cage’ and ‘The Menagerie’. It’s what TOS would have looked like with feature film budgets.
SNW is like this kinda cool, kinda weird, mash-up of Phase II and an extrapolation from ‘The Cage’ and ‘The Menagerie’. It’s what TOS would have looked like with feature film budgets.
Lift Us Up Where Pain Cannot Reach is obnoxiously roddenberrian both in name and story
All the cast does is act. And occasionally direct an episode. The cast never made Star Trek, even if they did act it out on the screen. All the nuts and bolts that made it what it was came from Gene, Rick, Michael Piller, Maurice Hurley, et al. It's the formula that kept Trek on screen for 4 television series and 4 feature films, all based in the same time period and all sharing the same basic script bible & production designs.
SNW, even though it may turn out yet to be an excellent show, does not share that same pedigree. And once The Last Generation is released it's doubtful there will ever be anymore Trek on TV or streaming that does.
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No it doesn't. James Cawley not only managed to get writers from TOS/TNG for his fan fiction, he even got some TOS actors. But his New Voyages certainly had no actual to ties back to Gene.
Slapping the name "Star Trek" on something doesn't make it the same.
Star Trek shouldn't be the same. It's a show about going to the future, exploring new things, new worlds, and new ideas. It is about the expansion of the human experience and growth potential of our species. Constantly looking to the past makes us small, and irrelevant. It shows no potential for growth.
Star Trek shows should not be the same.
Star Trek shows should not be the same.
You'd think at this point, people would learn to never say never. I didn't think we'd get a satisfactory conclusion or send off for TNG but we're on the cusp of it. SNW has a lot of potential, I thought the final episode of S1 was one of the best produced of the P+ shows.
I find the "real Star Trek" and "true Roddenberrian" ideas to be excessively sectarian and needlessly tribal. There's no real need to segregate the fanbase like that.
Indeed. Reminds of the Kirk v. Picard debates of high school. It's not a competition. The existence of multiple shows does not take away from the past shows.
WTF do fan films have to do with anything I wrote, (you're the only one referencing anything WRT unofficial fan made Star Trek productions.)
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is an official Paramount Star Trek production.
Hell, you're also the one who wrote:
Yet Gene Roddenberry passed in 1991. If Star Trek productions through 2005 had "...some tie back to Gene..."; SNW DEFINITELY ALSO HAS TIES BACK TO GENE RODDENBERRY, AS IT'S USING ORIGINAL CHARACTERS HE PERSONALLY CREATED.
I've been advised by our legal team that this in fact doesn't count due to a technicality.
I find the "nu Trek" and "woke" ideas to be excessively divisive and needlessly pandering towards an overly vocal minority. And that's how you ended up with a segregated fanbase like that.
Star Trek has always used divisive ideas. This is not new, and a feature, not a bug. It's hardwired in to the foundations of the franchise.
The fan base segregated long before this nonsense.
The fan base segregated long before this nonsense.
Slapping the name "Star Trek" on something doesn't make it the same.
All the cast does is act. And occasionally direct an episode. The cast never made Star Trek, even if they did act it out on the screen. All the nuts and bolts that made it what it was came from Gene, Rick, Michael Piller, Maurice Hurley, et al. It's the formula that kept Trek on screen for 4 television series and 4 feature films, all based in the same time period and all sharing the same basic script bible & production designs.
SNW, even though it may turn out yet to be an excellent show, does not share that same pedigree. And once The Last Generation is released it's doubtful there will ever be anymore Trek on TV or streaming that does.
You are using the same reply word for word twice?
The TNG cast, by and large, were handpicked by Rodenberry. Majel practically adopted Marina in 87, metaphorically speaking.
You want your Rodenberry lineage still on screen — there it is. The cast are the last remaining direct link.
Not that it matters hugely, many fictional constructs have had life beyond their original creator after all, with various levels of success.
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