Was he a “hero character”? You know, a protagonist?
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Marla?
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It is deadnaming regardless of whether Seven is transgender or not. "Seven of Nine" is clearly the name she identifies as. "Annika Hansen" is her birthname, but it's a name she hasn't willingly answered to since she was a child. By calling Seven by her birthname, Shaw was deadnaming her.
He was to some, he was screwed over by Kirk. Some see people like that as Hero's. To me both Kirk and Khan acted like villans in Space Seed, and Kirk was just as consumed with vengence as Khan was in TWOK.
Khan was, CLEARLY, the “bad guy” in both episode and film. Was he he a cartoon one? No. But his role in the story is crystalline in its clarity. There is NOTHING about Shaw’s character that suggests a parallel. At most, he comes across as irritating and irritable, broadly similar to Jellico, but neither of them approaches, within a country mile, a “rapist in waiting”.
No, you're bending facts to fit your views. Khan was never intended to be a protagonist and has never been depicted as such. You're shifting goalposts to support your flimsy point of view. I'm done with this particular line of conversation.
Kirk a villainous persona in "Space Seed(TOS)" and just as driven by revenge in TWOK as Khan himself? Yeah, no. 
I suppose you can technically call Shaw an antagonist since in the early episodes he's meant to be a foil for Picard and Riker. But there's no similarity to Khan, who is an actual villain.
I said Khan and Kirk are both good and bad in the movie. You can understand Khan's hate for being stranded by Kirk, and you can understand Kirk's hate towards Khan for getting caught with his pants down.
I never said Shaw is a villan. I said he deadnamed Seven and I feel was grooing her to get raped. I have DEALT WITH people like Shaw in real life who were rapists.
No. Must resist. I'm out.
Shaw, however, can only have the intent imparted to him by the writers and what you are implying is extraordinarily inconsistent with Trek writing for that type of character.
Alright, this grooming/rapist discussion needs to end. Now.
No. They are simply The Borg. Plain simple cubes.A new topic! Are the Borg military?
What if the hive mind was created by a military program.... like a cyber unit back in the day?
I thought resistance is futile?
Annika did not choose to become known as Seven-of-Nine when she was a child. That name was forced upon her by the Borg, when they transformed her into a drone against her will. Why would she "still" cling to this name, when she was upset over Agnes using Borg nanoprobes to save her life back in Season 2? Did she change her name legally? If not, why was it a problem for Shaw to call her Commander Hansen? I've said this before - this whole plot point about Seven's name is simply ridiculous and badly written to me.
It's invasive (she may blame her parent's recklessness for the family's being assimilated).
The audience is supposed to take pity on Shaw having HIS issues with the Borg while at the same time telling Seven to get over hers?
Doesn't matter. She had been separate from the collective for 25 years. She has her reasons. Shaw knows she prefers Seven of Nine. It's not Shaw's place to decide otherwise, no matter where the name She prefers came from, and the nature of how she got it.
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