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Spoilers Will the Federation abandon the transporter?

I know Khan is an augmented genius or whatever, but I'm not sure how he'd be able to do that while on Ceti Alpha 5.

I have no idea why you're bringing Khan up. He's not involved in this story at all.

If what we're told in Picard is accurate, no one would've been sabotaging the Enterprise's transporters immediately after BOBW.

Yeah, no. No one claimed they were. The rogue Changelings are the ones hacking into the Starfleet transporter systems, and they were clearly doing this for an indeterminate period of time. We don't know how long ago the plan was initiated or how long the Changelings have been infiltrating Starfleet, but it probably was no earlier than PIC S1 (2399).
 
I have no idea why you're bringing Khan up. He's not involved in this story at all.



Yeah, no. No one claimed they were. The rogue Changelings are the ones hacking into the Starfleet transporter systems, and they were clearly doing this for an indeterminate period of time. We don't know how long ago the plan was initiated or how long the Changelings have been infiltrating Starfleet, but it probably was no earlier than PIC S1 (2399).
I said biofilters couldn't even filter ceti eels in my post, which you responded to.

Transporters get everything on the molecular level. The changes to Picard DNA that were missed SHOULD have been caught in TNG Season 4.
 
Given that we see the transporter in the 32nd Century, I don't think it gets abandoned. Maybe the personal transporter concept helps with the DNA "virus" that the Borg did this season, but it doesn't get abandoned.
You don't abandon technology outright most of the time, you make it more secure.

Given we've seen transporters in the 32nd century, its safe to say they're around
Exactly. They'll put more spam filters on the damn thing so it'll take 20 minutes to "beam someone up", and that will eventually lead to the faster personal transporter.
 
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It's a possible neat retcon. Discovery in the 32nd century has personal transporters. Less prone to hacking?
 
Unfortunately, 32nd century technology can be defeated by a crying alien brat.
My mind is still boggled at the idea that a child screaming after watching their mother die of radiation poisoning is referred to as "a crying brat" or "a tantrum" online. Like, watch YOUR mother die and hear those words if you dare shed a tear.

And besides, it would have destroyed all eras of Trek ships just the same:techman:
 
Btw, that‘s the main reason why I hate the 32nd story line of Discovery - it sets the future and thus limits the possibilities of stories set in the 25th century which for me remains the „Star Trek present“. In a way it reduces everything before the 32nd century to the status of a prequel. I‘d prefer to eliminate the 32nd century and declare it some different timeline.
 
If they didn't abandon it after what happened in TMP then they're not going to abandon it after some changelings edited the base code. Those screams, man.
 
Btw, that‘s the main reason why I hate the 32nd story line of Discovery - it sets the future and thus limits the possibilities of stories set in the 25th century which for me remains the „Star Trek present“. In a way it reduces everything before the 32nd century to the status of a prequel. I‘d prefer to eliminate the 32nd century and declare it some different timeline.

It quite literally does nothing of the sort. You do know there is a third season of Picard which feature the federation yet again being faced with extinction, right?

There is 800 years between Picard and Discovery, that is plenty of time to tell stories.

Beside you want to be shitty about the future being spoiled or whatever, get mad at Voyager for visiting the 29th century and Enterprise for telling us that everythign would eventually be hunky dory in 30th century.
 
Mulan is the most pointless story ever. There are no stakes at all in it. How am I supposed to feel worried for the heroes when I know that China will survive to the present day anyway?
 
Yeah, fair enough, but I‘m not a fan of those future centuries and the whole Temporal Cold War either.
The thing is: For example we know what happens to the Vulkans and Romulans in the future - no excitement in that regard anymore. We know the Federation keeps growing and existing - there‘s only the Burn happening, then that gets resolved. Earth and Starfleet still exist - I can take no threat to Earth seriously now since I know the 32nd century. Much more detailed than what we ever learned about the 29th century. I would prefer moving forward into an unknown future with endless possibilities.
 
Mulan is the most pointless story ever. There are no stakes at all in it. How am I supposed to feel worried for the heroes when I know that China will survive to the present day anyway?
That‘s my point - Mulan is historical. For me there is a fictitious „present time“ in Star Trek. Discovery and Strange New Worlds are prequels to that but it keeps moving forward as a whole. Each his own but I only care for the development of the world that‘s established and not for an 800 year time jump.
 
Yeah, fair enough, but I‘m not a fan of those future centuries and the whole Temporal Cold War either.
The thing is: For example we know what happens to the Vulkans and Romulans in the future - no excitement in that regard anymore. We know the Federation keeps growing and existing - there‘s only the Burn happening, then that gets resolved. Earth and Starfleet still exist - I can take no threat to Earth seriously now since I know the 32nd century. Much more detailed than what we ever learned about the 29th century. I would prefer moving forward into an unknown future with endless possibilities.
Even without Disco in the 32nd century or Voyager and Enterprise having time travel adventures with future versions of the Federation, you should know damn well watching Picard the Federation or Earth aren't going to be destroyed and Starfleet will continue to exist, for the simple fact that the heroes always win. Like, do you even fiction? Ever?
 
Even without Disco in the 32nd century or Voyager and Enterprise having time travel adventures with future versions of the Federation, you should know damn well watching Picard the Federation or Earth aren't going to be destroyed and Starfleet will continue to exist, for the simple fact that the heroes always win. Like, do you even fiction? Ever?
Star Trek 2009 destroyed Vulkan - and there‘s a difference in what you expect and what you know.
But in the end it‘s taste - I don‘t care for the 32nd century. Others may look forward to the upcoming Academy show - good for them ‍♂️ People like all sorts of things.
 
That‘s my point - Mulan is historical. For me there is a fictitious „present time“ in Star Trek. Discovery and Strange New Worlds are prequels to that but it keeps moving forward as a whole. Each his own but I only care for the development of the world that‘s established and not for an 800 year time jump.
Well, one way to look at Star Trek (I think I've brought this up elsewhere on the board at some point) is to think of it all as historical reenactments of a fictional far future civilisation. I've been doing that for a while (possibly since as far back as TNG, but certainly since Enterprise), and it gets around many of of the canon issues by imagining that creative license is often taken, so each episode/film only gives the broad strokes of what is meant to have happened. I find it helps with visual changes, tech differences and contradictory dialogue.

I say creative licence, but it could also include some of said producers not being as well versed in some parts of that fictional history as others.
 
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