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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread
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you monster…
Damn straight.
Grilled Chicken Caesar on a thin crust is the actual best pizza you can get, but hey, you guys do you.
Yeah it's called "proper foreshadowing."
It's called "the plot was such incredibly tired, recycled, creatively bankrupt trash that no one wanted to believe that the spoilers were real."
Every season has been so incredibly awful. First two were flat out unwatchable. This one is also a complete train wreck, but people love the original cast so much that it can just barely scrape by as a nostalgic freak show.
The first season was laughably bad. Star Trek's been junk since DS9.
The essence of good Star Trek is self contained moral/philosophical stories that actually have replay value and hold up to repeated watches. I would NEVER want to want a single episode of this show multiple times.
I always use the Beatles Revolution 9 test on stuff like this. If Revolution 9 was the only Beatles song I ever heard, would I think the band was good? If this show was all you ever saw of these characters, would you like any of them? What did they do or say that made them memorable or intriguing that wasn't a lazy callback to something they did in the old TV show that didn't suck? I loathe every new character, I can't stand the lame, pathetic Joss Whedon style aping dialogue, and I'm sick of the bloated "10 hour movie" structure that invariably leads to nothing but filler.
The essence of good Star Trek is self contained moral/philosophical stories that actually have replay value and hold up to repeated watches. I would NEVER want to want a single episode of this show multiple times.
I always use the Beatles Revolution 9 test on stuff like this. If Revolution 9 was the only Beatles song I ever heard, would I think the band was good? If this show was all you ever saw of these characters, would you like any of them? What did they do or say that made them memorable or intriguing that wasn't a lazy callback to something they did in the old TV show that didn't suck? I loathe every new character, I can't stand the lame, pathetic Joss Whedon style aping dialogue, and I'm sick of the bloated "10 hour movie" structure that invariably leads to nothing but filler.
Saw someone on twitter say the episode was a 10 because we saw the enterprise D. So what would the episode be if that was some random junker? Just like a few weeks ago people gushing over seeing Defiant and Voyager again. I mean those things are cool - but when that's what people are gushing over and not the actual plot or specific writing then I think there's a problem with the show.
That's not a problem with the show, that's a problem with the fans.
The showrunners correctly thought nostalgia-bait would be enough to get critical plaudits. Trek fans have always loved fanwank/callbacks. TWOK was fanwank. First Contact (typically considered the best TNG movie) was nothing but oodles of piles of fankwank.
What an odd way to judge a TV show. I get that an episode should stand on its own but ... TV shows are not movies, songs are not bands.
The sheer fucking pizza hubris!
That's actually what happened and why ratings weren't good until season 3. That's how you keep quality high. Every episode used to be do or die. There was actually pressure to make every episode great.
32 posts in a few hours. You're going to burn yourself out if you keep going at this pace. But anyway...
(2) Ratings of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager : television (reddit.com)
And the audience for TNG was extremely loyal. They watched every week. It played on TVs in stores, I could talk about the show with friends at school, people off the street were talking about it... Besides TNG, the only other time I remember Star Trek being as big as that was when the 2009 Film came out.
As far as quality, there were times when TNG was on a roll and times when it wasn't, but the ratings were always high during its run. It's the only Star Trek series that can make that claim.
No, the ratings were pretty good all throughout TNG's seven seasons. Someone has the graph and will be able to provide it, but this link will do in the meantime. It's actually DS9 and VOY (and ENT) that had constantly falling ratings.
(2) Ratings of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager : television (reddit.com)
And the audience for TNG was extremely loyal. They watched every week. It played on TVs in stores, I could talk about the show with friends at school, people off the street were talking about it... Besides TNG, the only other time I remember Star Trek being as big as that was when the 2009 Film came out.
As far as quality, there were times when TNG was on a roll and times when it wasn't, but the ratings were always high during its run. It's the only Star Trek series that can make that claim.
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