I would not mind seeing this either. Having done a lot of schooling it was always so interesting to see people working on their degrees in their 40s or 50s as they decided for a new career. I think that could be a good source of dramatic potential.
Paramount apparently still doesn't get it...
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That is why I noted, "properly done". But as you noted, for a TV show such thing is incredibly difficult to do properly.
Thing is, Rodenberry and Paramount did make the effort: there is the writers' bible, and also the Technical Manuals. But writers - especially later on - tended to simply ignore these in favor of what they saw as a more interesting story. Whether they were correct to do so, I cannot say with certainty, but I personally do not like it.
I see Discovery as being an alternate universe stuff. So I don't really care whether Section 31 in Discovery aligns with one in DS9 and Enterprise, because as far as I'm concerned, they are not the same anyway. And for the reasons you outlined, I believe any new series should probably be set in an alternate universe / parallel timeline, so they have blank slate to play with instead of having to consider existing canon - and probably wreck it anyway.
I wasn't talking about the characters, but rather about the setting as such. Characters can be as optimistic as they can, but if your running thesis is "humans are assholes", then that is not Star Trek.
I have no idea but I don't see this thesis, at least no worse than what I saw in TOS, with administrators, admirals and the like.
Which setting is pessimistic?
Which show is running with that thesis?
What Star Trek series has had a running thesis that "humans are assholes?" I must have missed that one. I've seen plenty of Star Trek that shows humans as HUMANS...and I've seen plenty that shows humans as boring, perfect little society drones...but I've never seen one that is based on the idea that "humans are assholes."
That is not the running thesis of any Star Trek series. Even the darkest seasons of DS9, DIS, and PIC re-affirm the fundamental decency of humanity.
I used to work at a community college, where I was a TV/Radio Technician, and we had four types of students.
1. Teenagers who treated it like it was the 13th Grade.
2. 20-Somethings who realized they fucked up and were going back to school to turn their life around.
3. People in their 30s, 40s, or 50s, who had to change careers for whatever reason, and had to get back into the swing of things.
4. Senior Citizens & Retirees who were looking for something to do or to keep their mind active.
No, I haven't seen Community. I worked at the college from 2007 to 2011 and, at the time, watching it would've felt too much like work.
When I was in college (as a student), every class always had at least one middle-aged student. And when I was hanging out with my friends, we had this one area where we all got together, and we had this one guy in his 40s who hung out with us, and we called him "Midlife-Crisis John"! Now that I think about it, I'm almost the age he was back then. Time is a horrible thing.
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I used to work at a community college, where I was a TV/Radio Technician, and we had four types of students.
1. Teenagers who treated it like it was the 13th Grade.
2. 20-Somethings who realized they fucked up and were going back to school to turn their life around.
3. People in their 30s, 40s, or 50s, who had to change careers for whatever reason, and had to get back into the swing of things.
4. Senior Citizens & Retirees who were looking for something to do or to keep their mind active.
No, I haven't seen Community. I worked at the college from 2007 to 2011 and, at the time, watching it would've felt too much like work.
When I was in college (as a student), every class always had at least one middle-aged student. And when I was hanging out with my friends, we had this one area where we all got together, and we had this one guy in his 40s who hung out with us, and we called him "Midlife-Crisis John"! Now that I think about it, I'm almost the age he was back then. Time is a horrible thing.
This was more accurate than you might think. I had to teach a few older students how do basic things with the computer while I was also helping them also learn how to use editing software. It was like they were trying to run before they could walk.
On the flip side, because I was young, they thought I knew EVERYTHING about computers (no, if I did, I would've been working in the I.T. Department) and could do anything with them, like it was magic.
That's one thing I hope SA does, which is really feature characters from different backgrounds/experiences
I probably wouldn't push it as far as 40s or 50s, not unless they're going to lean hard on a "prior service" character (either Starfleet enlisted or a merchant deckhand/technician) who is "upgrading" to officer as "new entrants" need to be youngish IRL (the USNA doesn't admit above 23, USCGA above 22, USAFA above 23), even law enforcement academies like the FBI Academy who require college degrees before entry seem to top out at 36 due to federal retirement age guidelines.
What about for species who have longer lifespans than humans? Vulcans, for example. They can live past 200 years. A 50 year old Vulcan would be the equivalent of a 25 year old today.
Or Klingons. Kang, Koloth, and Kor proved Klingons can be long lived, too... easily 130-150 years.
Or Klingons. Kang, Koloth, and Kor proved Klingons can be long lived, too... easily 130-150 years.
They could add in experienced service members from outside of the Federation/Starfleet as enlisted or staff.
I guess with the "reopening" angle, we'll get a few twentysomething cadets, but I'd bet most of the older characters will be faculty and staff.
On another note, with all of the post 23rd century stuff, we've never seen a future member of the Kirk family, so I wouldn't be surprised if one was finally included in this show for some name recognition (presumably descended from Kirk's nephew, Peter).
On another note, with all of the post 23rd century stuff, we've never seen a future member of the Kirk family, so I wouldn't be surprised if one was finally included in this show for some name recognition (presumably descended from Kirk's nephew, Peter).
Got to have the legacy!
Back in 2005, there was a proposal from X-Men director (and alleged sexual predator) Bryan Singer's production company to produce a Star Trek series entitled Star Trek: Federation that would have been set in 31st century with the Federation in severe decline and Starfleet described as having been "reduced to a mere peace-keeping force protecting fringe worlds from aliens and from fighting each other, with starships are old and spread out too thin."
Source: TrekMovie.com
This proposal got thrown out the window when Paramount decided to go with JJ Abrams' idea to produce a new Star Trek film.
This would have been an animated series, not live action.
Edit: Sorry, I was thinking of the Star Trek: Final Frontier project.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier
I wish. My joints, slower metabolism, and all that white hair I'm dyeing disagree. And I still have six-and-a-half years to go!50 is the new 30
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