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I have a bit of a problem with La'an being bullied (And Spock in st2009)

Why? They have replicators. There's a (ever-narrowing) case to be made for eating meat in the year 2023. But if you have replicators that can produce meat--indistinguishable from the genuine article--on demand, and you still insist on killing sentient creatures for sport and/or profit, there's really no way to couch that in a way that doesn't make you an absolute psycho. You're a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass and torturing small rodents at that point.

The mass extinction of food animals is one good reason. A huge chunk of animals cannot live without humans to care for them and eat them.

Basically, the premise of ending eating meat means the horrific death of whole species.

I was genuinely stunned that a lot of vegetarians DO NOT REALIZE THIS.
 
Plus, for vegans and vegetarians, if you only eat plants and fruits, you are eating the only source of food for many species. If they don't have anything to eat, they die out, too.
 
The mass extinction of food animals is one good reason. A huge chunk of animals cannot live without humans to care for them and eat them.

Basically, the premise of ending eating meat means the horrific death of whole species.

Or, it means suggesting that humans continue to care for these species without eating them.

I'm no vegetarian -- I love cheeseburgers too much -- but I think it's pretty clear that if the "vegetarian agenda" came about, they would not be willing to consign entire species to extinction. And in the world of Star Trek, where there is no poverty and resources exist in a state of abundance, there's more than enough wealth available for animal-loving humans to be able to care for such species without needing a financial return.
 
Plus, for vegans and vegetarians, if you only eat plants and fruits, you are eating the only source of food for many species. If they don't have anything to eat, they die out, too.
So, uh, don't eat all of the plants and fruits in existence? That seems like a pretty easy mistake to avoid.
 
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The mass extinction of food animals is one good reason. A huge chunk of animals cannot live without humans to care for them and eat them.

Basically, the premise of ending eating meat means the horrific death of whole species.

I was genuinely stunned that a lot of vegetarians DO NOT REALIZE THIS.
I've cared for animals my whole life without eating them. Cat meat would probably be gross as hell.
 
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There are also alien animals to eat.
And whole worlds to set aside land for “ethical” rearing.
The point is that, if you can replicate meat, there is no possible way to ethically kill sentient life forms for food. It is categorically unethical if it is something you're doing by choice instead of by necessity.
 
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The point is that, if you can replicate meat, there is no possible way to ethically kill sentient life forms for food. It is categorically unethical if it is something you're doing by choice instead of by necessity.

I don't really pretend to know how my love of cheeseburgers shakes out ethically, but I am looking forward to the day I can eat a lab-grown cheeseburger that tastes just as good as an actual cow.
 
Ultimately it'll come down to preference and want.

No one in Star Trek is averse to eating real food or synthesized food. The latter could be easier, so that would make the former more appealing. Ultimately I don't see the Fed ever getting botherered with raising animals for the grinder.
 
Or, it means suggesting that humans continue to care for these species without eating them.

I'm no vegetarian -- I love cheeseburgers too much -- but I think it's pretty clear that if the "vegetarian agenda" came about, they would not be willing to consign entire species to extinction. And in the world of Star Trek, where there is no poverty and resources exist in a state of abundance, there's more than enough wealth available for animal-loving humans to be able to care for such species without needing a financial return.
I have a lifelong vegetarian friend who has stated that when lab grown meat is easily available he will likely eat meat again. Or at least give it shot. His objection is to the killing of animals for food, and the industry that revolves around it.
I always thought it was weird that Vulcans serve a mollusk for consumption.
My head canon says that some Vulcans are extreme vegans, some eat lab grown meat, and some enjoy cheese pizza eaten with a knife and fork.
 
Shit happens. People suck at times...even "good" people. It's what makes us all "people." Humans as a race may have gotten better, but humans as individuals are not going to be flawless, homogenized, paragons of virtue...particularly not kids (at least, I hope not. I have no desire to see us evolve into an antiseptic, NPC-like race).
 
If I don't like eating goat crap, I'm not going to replicate goat crap to eat just because it's replicated.
 
If I don't like eating goat crap, I'm not going to replicate goat crap to eat just because it's replicated.
As far as I know Vulcans are not refusing to eat it because of the taste, but probably because they don't see the logic in eating another living being (ignoring the fact that plants are also living beings).

Replicated meat isn't made from a living being. I'm sure there's being curious Vulcans out there that have tried replicated meat.

The v'tosh ka'tur do eat meat.
 
As far as I know Vulcans are not refusing to eat it because of the taste, but probably because they don't see the logic in eating another living being (ignoring the fact that plants are also living beings).

Replicated meat isn't made from a living being. I'm sure there's being curious Vulcans out there that have tried replicated meat.

The v'tosh ka'tur do eat meat.

On the other hand, mainstream Vulcan customs are significantly less logical than Vulcans like to admit. I could plausibly see them refusing to eat replicated meat because it's symbolically the same thing as consuming animal flesh.
 
On the other hand, mainstream Vulcan customs are significantly less logical than Vulcans like to admit. I could plausibly see them refusing to eat replicated meat because it's symbolically the same thing as consuming animal flesh.
Vulcans love their traditions and customs. I'd believe it.

It might not be meat, but it is intended to be meat.
 
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