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10 episodes vs more per season

I've thought they should switch the SNW (10) and Discovery (13) episode counts. Not even about the quality, I just think it fits the style of show better. Though apparently DIS is already switching to 10...
Discovery only got 13 episodes per season because of the Paramount slash Netflix deal. Netflix was paying the majority of the production costs, and all of their streaming series at the time Discovery started production were 13 episodes long. Netflix even agreed to add one episode to season 2 for a total of 14 episodes because of the producers felt they needed one episode more to wrap up things before the final battle episode.

When Paramount+ bought out the Netflix part of the deal after season 4 was produced, that's why season 5 only has 10 episodes because that's what Paramount+ streaming series got per season.
 
The more I think about it, the more I think 15-18 episodes is the ideal season length. Just long enough for variety and experimentation, but not so long you end up burning everyone out.
 
Why should they do twenty?
Well to be fair, remember they filmed snw seasons 1 and 2 back to back. So effectively they did film 20 episodes in a row. They're just deciding to partial them out as 10 episodes per season.

And yeah going forward, they'll probably just film 10 episodes a year. But they could still do 20 if they wanted to; but they don't think that doing 20 episodes for a season is cost-effective.
 
I think 17x episodes per Season-Year is the optimum amount:
NOTE: Episode Time doesn't factor in any Last Time ReCaps, Opening Intro, Ending Credits, Next Ep previews
_1x 120-minute Season Opening Episode
15x _60-minute episode
_1x 120-minute Season Finale Episode

Gives you plenty of time to do individual episodes and multi-episode arcs as well.

At 17x episodes per Season-Year, you can run 3x different Live Action ST: Productions in concurrency to cover a full calender year
 
Well to be fair, remember they filmed snw seasons 1 and 2 back to back.
No there was definitely a gap between filming seasons 1 and 2. True, they were finished filming season 2 before season 1 aired, but there was still a gap between the seasons.
At 17x episodes per Season-Year, you can run 3x different Live Action ST: Productions in concurrency to cover a full calender year
I don't want that many new episodes. I like being able to take breaks for a couple months. Having a new episode every week for the whole calendar year would just lead to burn-out. For both the production teams and the audience.
 
I'd rather have 10 really tight, well-done episodes than 15-20 episodes with 4-8 filler or crappy ones that everyone is going to complain about and declare "the worst Star Trek ever."

So, I vote for shorter seasons with high quality.
 
No there was definitely a gap between filming seasons 1 and 2. True, they were finished filming season 2 before season 1 aired, but there was still a gap between the seasons.
Yeah, principle photography ended July 2021, with additional filming ending in October. Season 2 started filming February 2022.
 
I'd rather have 10 really tight, well-done episodes than 15-20 episodes with 4-8 filler or crappy ones that everyone is going to complain about and declare "the worst Star Trek ever."

So, I vote for shorter seasons with high quality.
The problem is you can never guarantee that the 10 they make are the good ones! Sometimes the one that's an absolute mess during the writing process turns out to be a Yesterday's Enterprise and the showrunner's favourite is an Omega Glory or a Profit and Lace. And less episodes doesn't necessarily mean more time spent on each, better rested actors, more money per episode etc., sometimes it just means less episodes.

Personally I think the right number of episodes depends on the series. I'd rather have fewer episodes than slower pacing for a serialised season and I'd rather have the potential for more interesting stories for an episodic season. But I wouldn't want anyone to be overworked for my entertainment.
 
But I wouldn't want anyone to be overworked for my entertainment.

My take on that: They get plenty of money and prestige to work for our entertainment. Just like any other job, if the hours and commitment aren't agreeing with them, they can always get into a different field or get onboard with a project that is not as demanding.

:shrug:
 
Well to be fair, remember they filmed snw seasons 1 and 2 back to back.

I think you're thinking of how they filmed PIC S2 and S3 back-to-back, not SNW S1 and 2.

My take on that: They get plenty of money and prestige to work for our entertainment. Just like any other job, if the hours and commitment aren't agreeing with them, they can always get into a different field or get onboard with a project that is not as demanding.

:shrug:

That is absolutely not a valid justification for overworking people to the point of endangering their health, which the old system did. Neither is "we pay you" a valid justification for any employer to exploit their workers. "You can just find another job" is the age-old excuse for employers abusing employees, and it's bullshit -- especially in a mercurial industry where an actor's ability to find another job is in fact always precarious and unreliable. It's just another variation of "obey or risk starvation."
 
I think you're thinking of how they filmed PIC S2 and S3 back-to-back, not SNW S1 and 2.



That is absolutely not a valid justification for overworking people to the point of endangering their health, which the old system did. Neither is "we pay you" a valid justification for any employer to exploit their workers. "You can just find another job" is the age-old excuse for employers abusing employees, and it's bullshit -- especially in a mercurial industry where an actor's ability to find another job is in fact always precarious and unreliable. It's just another variation of "obey or risk starvation."
Doctor Who has averaged 13 episodes a season pre-covid, and the actors have said the filming schedule was always grueling. You have 2-3 principal cast, who pretty much appear in every episode, virtually every episode is filmed on location, and the pressure to succeed often induces burnout.
Star Trek is relatively tame, especially on an ensemble show like DSC or ensemble-light like SNW, where 50-75% of the show is filmed on standing sets.
I'm sure a bigger issue is filming in Canada, where I imagine most of the credited cast do not have as their primary residence - they have to spend months at a time away from home and their families, or relocate their families to Toronto.

Still, since a full day of shooting can be upwards of 10 hours, add time for makeup and prosthetics for the alien cast, and even worse days for the studio crew - lighting, sets, electric, sound etc. maybe 10-13 episodes is better after all.
 
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