Spoilers The Starfleet Museum

[trekfan_1]

Polls and perception is one thing, but it is in error given the fact that the majority of the ships we've seen on screen since about 1988 have been not exclusively American names.

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Other countries have Presidents, France for example. Why should it be Prime Minister and not Chancellor?

Your own implicit bias is showing.

I think it's pretty obvious the reason all or most of the Earth time travel stories happens in the U.S is practicality . If we can agree on this maybe we can reach a middle ground. Maybe I'm exaggerating the US centric aspects and I would conceed that . But I think the fact IT is a US made show means a lot of the production would slant from that perspective.

 

[Racefuel]

I think it's pretty obvious the reason all or most of the Earth time travel stories happens in the U.S is practicality . If we can agree on this maybe we can reach a middle ground. Maybe I'm exaggerating the US centric aspects and I would conceed that . But I think the fact IT is a US made show means a it of the production would slant from that perspective.

There is truth that the time travel slants that way, but its largely a question of cost.

The major time travel stories have used American settings both because the existing "retro" sets (1930's US was Mayberry from Andy Griffith, for example) or because it is simply cheaper to be able to film outside, which is why a lot of the time travel stories have either been in San Francisco or Los Angeles.

Its not really a bias issue, its quite literally just too expensive to fly an entire crew to say..London, Berlin, Tokyo or Australia.

 

[HotRod]

Yes the Cerritos is named for the famous city in Brazil of the same name.

The Cerritos, and all the California class ships are named after places in California.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I believe they said there's 72 hours left until Frontier Day.

That's what the changleing said in the subtitles, but as it turns out, if you're watching on Prime, those subtitles don't show up. Watched it again on Prime today, and they were missing. It wasn't until my third viewing (first on P+) that I even knew they existed.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

That's what the changleing said in the subtitles, but as it turns out, if you're watching on Prime, those subtitles don't show up. Watched it again on Prime today, and they were missing. It wasn't until my third viewing (first on P+) that I even knew they existed.

If the subtitles don't show up, how is anyone supposed to know what they're saying??

Anyway, someone else (Picard?) said a similar thing.

 

[Nate]

I imagine those rings surrounding those ships have multiple gift shops. Each specializing on the particular ship.

Yes, and to get out of a museum you must ALWAYS exit through the gift shop. Even in a 25th century post money society. It’s an unbreakable rule.

 

[fireproof78]

They did it with the Breen too.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

If the subtitles don't show up, how is anyone supposed to know what they're saying??

Anyway, someone else (Picard?) said a similar thing.

They did it with the Breen too.

Yup. We didn't know what the Breen were saying in DS9. I'd assumed it was intentional on Picard until yesterday.

 

[Corran Horn]

Starfleet Headquarters is in San Francisco--but Federation "Headquarters" is in Paris.

 

[Racefuel]

Starfleet Headquarters is in San Francisco--but Federation "Headquarters" is in Paris.

And in the Kelvin timeline the Starfleet archives were in London, at least partly.

 

[Citiprime]

I've had a fan theory/headcanon idea that Starfleet predates the United Earth government, and was originally an American agency.

TNG's "Attached" established that either United Earth was created in 2150, or it wasn't able to fully lay claim to representing all the people's of the Earth until 2150 because of holdout nations. The first season of Enterprise is set in 2151. So United Earth was either brand new or in a relative transition period of being a true global government when the NX-01 was launched, since Starfleet had been around for decades prior.

If Starfleet does predate United Earth, maybe Zefram Cochrane was able to further develop warp drive under some surviving iteration of the United States government that established Starfleet before it became part of United Earth. It would explain why Starfleet is headquartered in San Francisco, uses the "USS" designation for their starships, and has numerous American naval traditions. They're legacy components held over from Starfleet's original state sponsor.

 

[Search4]

The Cerritos, and all the California class ships are named after places in California.

(I was being sarcastic).

 

[cooleddie74]

I've had a fan theory/headcanon idea that Starfleet predates the United Earth government, and was originally an American agency.

TNG's "Attached" established that either United Earth was created in 2150, or it wasn't able to fully lay claim to representing all the people's of the Earth until 2150 because of holdout nations. The first season of Enterprise is set in 2151. So United Earth was either brand new or in a relative transition period of being a true global government when the NX-01 was launched, since Starfleet had been around for decades prior.

If Starfleet does predate United Earth, maybe Zefram Cochrane was able to further develop warp drive under some surviving iteration of the United States government that established Starfleet before it became part of United Earth. It would explain why Starfleet is headquartered in San Francisco, uses the "USS" designation for their starships, and has numerous American naval traditions. They're legacy components held over from Starfleet's original state sponsor.

My head canon has the United Earth Starfleet being spun off from the United Earth Space Probe Agency(UESPA) in 2132 which would flow nicely with when we know Archer was born and went to flight school and allows Starfleet to exist for almost 30 years as a purely Earth-based agency until the founding of the Federation.

 

[Tuskin38]

I've had a fan theory/headcanon idea that Starfleet predates the United Earth government, and was originally an American agency.

TNG's "Attached" established that either United Earth was created in 2150, or it wasn't able to fully lay claim to representing all the people's of the Earth until 2150 because of holdout nations. The first season of Enterprise is set in 2151. So United Earth was either brand new or in a relative transition period of being a true global government when the NX-01 was launched, since Starfleet had been around for decades prior.

If Starfleet does predate United Earth, maybe Zefram Cochrane was able to further develop warp drive under some surviving iteration of the United States government that established Starfleet before it became part of United Earth. It would explain why Starfleet is headquartered in San Francisco, uses the "USS" designation for their starships, and has numerous American naval traditions. They're legacy components held over from Starfleet's original state sponsor.

The United Earth Space Probe Agency existed as of 2067. That's when Friendship One launched.

 

[HotRod]

(I was being sarcastic).

Ah, didn't catch that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Most of the SF ships (except the TOS connie) have visual warp coil casings which are blue in colour... if that's what you're referring to.

One other thing I'm actually questioning is... how does SNW fit into this?
The fleet museum features the TOS Constitution and 1701-A Constitution refit starships, but it seemingly doesn't have the 1701 as shown in SNW.

Time to start another drinking game.

 

[Nerys Myk]

TNG's "Attached" established that either United Earth was created in 2150, or it wasn't able to fully lay claim to representing all the people's of the Earth until 2150 because of holdout nations.

Not quite

Well, think about Earth. What if one of the old nation states, say Australia, had decided not to join the World Government in twenty one fifty? Would that have disqualified us as a Federation member

It was never said there were holdouts

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, there was finally a world government by 2150 but Australia wasn't the last to join. Who knows which nation was but it'd be awfully weird if a progressive democratic society like Australia decided to keep the whole process stalled until one year before the NX-01 was launched and eleven before the founding of the Federation.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

My head canon has the United Earth Starfleet being spun off from the United Earth Space Probe Agency(UESPA) in 2132

A "joint" logo appears as part of a carpet design in Demons and the dedication plague also mentions contributions by UESPA towards the construction of the NX-01, so they're clearly related somehow.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think there was something about Starfleet being a subordinate organization with in UESPA.