Season 4 = Poor

[fireproof78]

I'm writing a book right now where the main character goes through a ton of trauma. I make sure he reflects on the consequences of his actions, but if he moped about it through the entire thing...it would be boring. You need tension, levity, awe...the whole range of human emotion.

I don't agree but your book.

 

[Sci]

I don't think you realize that there is a command structure and there's supposed to be a sense of duty.

And everyone on Discovery follows the command structure and has a sense of duty, which is why everyone on the ship sacrificed their lives with their families to save the galaxy from Control, and which is why Star Trek: Discovery is the first Star Trek show to follow the rise of a captain from junior officer to commanding officer.

You can't just have the crew gushing all the time,

That is not what happens on Star Trek: Discovery. You are mistaking "have realistic emotions" for "are completely out of control." You sound like the captain of the Sh'vhal.

I don't see anything abusive about it. That's the way it's worked for centuries.

It's absolutely abusive, and it has led to centuries' worth of traumatized military officers suffering from mental health crises.

 

[TRON JA307020]

But they have each other!

Yeah. They are going to get through things (in michaels whisper loud voice) tooogether. Lol. How many times did we hear that one? Turns out we get mostly Michael. Lol

 

[XCV330]

4 is down there with ENT 1, TNG 1 and PIC 2 for least favorite star trek seasons, of mine, anyway. TNG 1 is a dumpster fire. ENT season 1 is just wildly uneaven. PIC 2 and DISCO 4 just amble and take forever to get to a point that isn't much of a point.

 

[Anthony60]

Yeah. They are going to get through things (in michaels whisper loud voice) tooogether. Lol. How many times did we hear that one? Turns out we get mostly Michael. Lol

I just watched S3 Ep11, I think, where some chic steals the Discovery. Could have been a good episode, but was horrible because it's 75% crying and feeling and emotions, instead of a cool episode where they lose the ship. And somehow, big fat Tilly, an ensign that has ADD or something, is in charge of the shop. Shouldn't she be on probation or something until she can get back in shape? Instead, she's first officer??? WTF?

 

[Sci]

I just watched S3 Ep11, I think, where some chic steals the Discovery. Could have been a good episode, but was horrible because it's 75% crying and feeling and emotions,

Aka, it's not just pew-pew mindless action.

And somehow, big fat Tilly, an ensign that has ADD or something, is in charge of the shop. Shouldn't she be on probation or something until she can get back in shape?

This is incredibly misogynistic and ableist. Shame on you.

 

[fireproof78]

Aka, it's not just pew-pew mindless action.

I thought that's all Discovery was?

 

[Sci]

I thought that's all Discovery was?

Star Trek: Discovery is whatever they need it to be to rationalize hating it in that moment. If they need it to be mindless gratuitous action, then it's mindless gratuitous action; if they need it to be an obnoxious soap opera getting in the way of exciting adventure, then it's an obnoxious soap opera getting in the way of exciting adventure; if they need Michael to be too stoic and unemotional to relate to, then she's too stoic and unemotional to relate to; if they need Michael to be a hysterical basketcase who alternates being crying and whooping at the drop of a hat, then she's a hysterical basketcase who alternates between crying and whooping at the drop of a hat; whatever they need it to be to justify hating it, with no need for consistency from moment to moment.

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek: Discovery is whatever they need it to be to rationalize hating it in that moment. If they need it to be mindless gratuitous action, then it's mindless gratuitous action; if they need it to be an obnoxious soap opera getting in the way of exciting adventure, then it's an obnoxious soap opera getting in the way of exciting adventure; if they need Michael to be too stoic and unemotional to relate to, then she's too stoic and unemotional to relate to; if they need Michael to be a hysterical basketcase who alternates being crying and whooping at the drop of a hat, then she's a hysterical basketcase who alternates between crying and whooping at the drop of a hat; whatever they need it to be to justify hating it, with no need for consistency from moment to moment.

This quote seems rather apropos today of all days.

 

[Quantum21]

I just watched S3 Ep11, I think, where some chic steals the Discovery. Could have been a good episode, but was horrible because it's 75% crying and feeling and emotions, instead of a cool episode where they lose the ship. And somehow, big fat Tilly, an ensign that has ADD or something, is in charge of the shop. Shouldn't she be on probation or something until she can get back in shape? Instead, she's first officer??? WTF?

I see where this is going now..

 

[Anthony60]

I see where this is going now..

Obviously, it's too late to fix the show, whatever reshoots they are doing won't make a difference. I just didn't expect such a drop off in quality. I was expecting more from the first new series in years.

 

[Sci]

Obviously, it's too late to fix the show, whatever reshoots they are doing won't make a difference. I just didn't expect such a drop off in quality. I was expecting more from the first new series in years.

Nothing you say has any worth or value after your misogynistic, ableist attack above. Go away.

 

[cultcross]

Sci, if you could have the modding to the mods, that would be great

I just watched S3 Ep11, I think, where some chic steals the Discovery. Could have been a good episode, but was horrible because it's 75% crying and feeling and emotions, instead of a cool episode where they lose the ship. And somehow, big fat Tilly, an ensign that has ADD or something, is in charge of the shop. Shouldn't she be on probation or something until she can get back in shape? Instead, she's first officer??? WTF?

Infraction for trolling. Thread reply ban.

 

[Parallaxis]

I thought Season 4 was a noticeable step up from the vomit inducing first season. Going to the future was the smartest decision the show ever made. I thought Season 4 was the first time the show ever really earned the Star Trek title.

Season 1 - Just there to piss fans off
Season 2 - Slowly righting the ship solely because of Pike.
Season 3 - Good plot move going to the future
Season 4 - Finally earned the Star Trek title.

 

[Tuskin38]

Season 1 - Just there to piss fans off

Strange. A lot of fans loved it

 

[fireproof78]

Strange. A lot of fans loved it

Still my favorite.

 

[ScottJ85]

I thought Season 4 was a noticeable step up from the vomit inducing first season. Going to the future was the smartest decision the show ever made. I thought Season 4 was the first time the show ever really earned the Star Trek title.

Season 1 - Just there to piss fans off
Season 2 - Slowly righting the ship solely because of Pike.
Season 3 - Good plot move going to the future
Season 4 - Finally earned the Star Trek title.

Disagree with you on season 1, I really enjoyed it mostly because to me Trek is always most interesting when Federation values are pushed all the way to breaking point.


But I agree with you on all other points.

 

[Quantum21]

Star Trek: Discovery is whatever they need it to be to rationalize hating it in that moment. If they need it to be mindless gratuitous action, then it's mindless gratuitous action; if they need it to be an obnoxious soap opera getting in the way of exciting adventure, then it's an obnoxious soap opera getting in the way of exciting adventure; if they need Michael to be too stoic and unemotional to relate to, then she's too stoic and unemotional to relate to; if they need Michael to be a hysterical basketcase who alternates being crying and whooping at the drop of a hat, then she's a hysterical basketcase who alternates between crying and whooping at the drop of a hat; whatever they need it to be to justify hating it, with no need for consistency from moment to moment.

Obviously, it's too late to fix the show, whatever reshoots they are doing won't make a difference. I just didn't expect such a drop off in quality. I was expecting more from the first new series in years.

What about Scarecrow's brain!!??