Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Ar-Pharazon]

Chuckles (aka: Chakotay) might have been in Picard.
Terry Matalas on Robert Beltran’s Rejected Return In Star Trek: Picard

“I was offered an episode (first 2 then1) in Picard, but I simply did not like what they had written for Chakotay so I turned them down,” wrote Beltran. “I won’t go into detail, but I have no animosity toward the Picard producers at all. [Star Trek: Prodigy] offers a Chakotay that I AM enthusiastic about.”

Spoiler: Too Obvious?

As explained by Matalas, the original idea was for Chakotay to appear in Picard season 2 in the alternate timeline of the evil Confederation. In this world, Chakotay would have been the First Magistrate, and the husband of Seven’s alternate self, President Hansen. Chakotay and Seven were romantically linked in Voyager‘s final season. But the First Magistrate’s role was reconceived when Beltran declined it.

 

[gvn2fly]

I think that also says something about the direction the show took in the 4th season. It might have been too inside baseball for the masses. Perhaps they didn’t care about the augments, Klingon ridges and the Mirror Universe.

I can only judge by my own thinking at the time and what I recall reading on forums I was part of, but I think it was too little too late and just seen as something stale by that point. It ran up against Stargate SG1 on SYFY at that time, with Stargate sometimes beating Enterprise despite being on a cable network. With Farscape and SG1 and other shows trying new things, Star Trek felt stuck in the past (no pun intended due to the prequel nature of the show) at that time.

 

[Tuskin38]

According to Berman, Moonves didn't hate Star Trek despite what some people claim.

 

[Magistos]

I can only judge by my own thinking at the time and what I recall reading on forums I was part of, but I think it was too little too late and just seen as something stale by that point. It ran up against Stargate SG1 on SYFY at that time, with Stargate sometimes beating Enterprise despite being on a cable network. With Farscape and SG1 and other shows trying new things, Star Trek felt stuck in the past (no pun intended due to the prequel nature of the show) at that time.

This.
Enterprise was okay, but when you look at the competition it had, "okay" wasn't enough. The other shows were doing new things, and not being afraid. Enterprise was safe, and somewhat dark, in a time when people didn't want that, in my opinion. SG1 still puts a goofy grin on my face.

 

[Campe]

I can only judge by my own thinking at the time and what I recall reading on forums I was part of, but I think it was too little too late and just seen as something stale by that point. It ran up against Stargate SG1 on SYFY at that time, with Stargate sometimes beating Enterprise despite being on a cable network. With Farscape and SG1 and other shows trying new things, Star Trek felt stuck in the past (no pun intended due to the prequel nature of the show) at that time.

At the time, I loved it. But my realization that there’s more things important than just connecting dots made me rethink my opinion in the past 20 years.

 

[Tomalak]

I think that also says something about the direction the show took in the 4th season. It might have been too inside baseball for the masses. Perhaps they didn’t care about the augments, Klingon ridges and the Mirror Universe.

Yeah, season 4 made no effort to reach out, and instead doubled-down on fans who had already drifted away. It really deserved to be cancelled for that Klingon arc alone.

Going from "not your father's Star Trek" to T'Pau, Surak and Colonel Green is quite the head spin.

I appreciate it's an unpopular opinion, but season 3 is the only part of Enterprise with any real merit for me.

 

[Campe]

I appreciate it's an unpopular opinion, but season 3 is the only part of Enterprise with any real merit for me.

I give season 3 credit. It tried to do something different and relevant in a post 9/11 world. It had some flaws in the execution but what Trek doesn’t?

 

[eschaton]

Yeah, season 4 made no effort to reach out, and instead doubled-down on fans who had already drifted away. It really deserved to be cancelled for that Klingon arc alone.

Going from "not your father's Star Trek" to T'Pau, Surak and Colonel Green is quite the head spin.

I appreciate it's an unpopular opinion, but season 3 is the only part of Enterprise with any real merit for me.

Season 3 was an attempt to speedrun DS9, while Season 4 basically comes across as decently-written fanfic with high production values.

 

[Skywalker]

I think they already knew that the writing was on the wall when they went to work on season 4 (IIRC it was almost canceled after season 3 but they decided to give it one more year for syndication purposes) so they just said "fuck it" and decided to go nuts with the continuity porn.

I think if they were guaranteed to get more seasons beyond that, they wouldn't have gone quite as hard as they did and instead would have spread it out a bit more.

 

[Tuskin38]

there were rumours of cancellation after season 2

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, Moriarty was an indication that this season would be full of TNG deep cuts.

I doubt he plays a major part of the plot.

My guess is he's briefly activated when the main characters visit Daystrom and that's about it.

 

[Lord Garth]

Click-bait article I came across: "Why Isn't Tasha Yar in Picard"

I didn't even bother to click on it. Why isn't she in it, the stupid article asks? Because she's dead! But I guess one sentence wouldn't make for a good article.

 

[Lord Garth]

Enterprise was okay, but when you look at the competition it had, "okay" wasn't enough. The other shows were doing new things, and not being afraid. Enterprise was safe, and somewhat dark, in a time when people didn't want that, in my opinion. SG1 still puts a goofy grin on my face.

Speaking as someone who didn't watch the vast majority of ENT when it was on. My go-to sci-fi series at the time were Farscape and then Battlestar Galactica. That was also a time when I was watching a lot of anime and was also on a huge Batman kick. And I was also really into a prison show called Oz, which makes me cringe when I look back on it now.

So it's not so much that I didn't want "dark", I'd say the opposite. During the first act, Die Another Day looked like it would be an awesome movie, for instance, until it wasn't. And I loved the Matrix Trilogy (and The Animatrix while we're at it). The real problem with ENT was that it was just so dull. And the entire Berman Era in general had "overstayed its welcome."

ENT also wasn't what I wanted at the time. So basically, I wanted someone else in charge, I wanted to see what happened after the Dominion War, and while I was okay with them switching centuries, I wanted them to go in the other direction! Jump ahead! It's funny. Ultimately I got everything I wanted back then... I just had to wait 20 years for it!

Before ENT was announced, I kept saying I thought they'd jump ahead. Then, as soon as it was announced they were doing a prequel, Temis the Vorta started a thread teasing me about my being wrong. Good times.

 

[eschaton]

Speaking as someone who didn't watch the vast majority of ENT when it was on. My go-to sci-fi series at the time were Farscape and then Battlestar Galactica. That was also a time when I was watching a lot of anime and was also on a huge Batman kick. And I was also really into a prison show called Oz, which makes me cringe when I look back on it now.

When ENT was on, I was going through my "no TV" phase.

Basically, I stopped watching TV entirely around the year 2000 or so. Late in high school, I was becoming a more casual TV viewer, often forgetting to watch shows I liked (like say the Simpsons) because I had other stuff going on. Early in college I watched little other than Conan before I went to bed. But then I had my junior year abroad in the UK, where I just didn't have a TV at all, and no one I knew in the dorm did either, since you had to pay for TV licenses from the BBC. Though I still owned a TV my senior year of college, I realized like four months into that year I had yet to even hook it up. I went post-TV by accident.

That's pretty much where things stood until the start of the streaming era. I did have some DVDs, and tried to watch them on my computer, but the codecs kept getting harder and harder to get around due to anti-piracy efforts, so I pretty much stopped watching them. I did rent all of DS9 during the old Netflix DVD era though, finally filling in the episodes I missed when it was on the air.

I only really saw Enterprise (save for the pilot, which I remember watching in a dorm) in 2015, when I had a lot of free time on my hands, because my son had cancer, was frequently in the hospital, and I had a lot of free time when I was bored out of my mind as a result. Managed to get through watching every single Trek episode in canon order.

 

[Tomalak]

My guess is he's briefly activated when the main characters visit Daystrom and that's about it.

Yes, my theory is that he’s a witness to the theft of the weapon.

 

[Noname Given]

The 90s had room for two. A and D.

Especially relevant now, as the Kelvin-verse movies are dead.

Yep sure they are. That's why Paramount keeps talking about us Star Trek 4/14 even now.

 

[Commander K]

Man, it's already halfway through the season...can't quite prepare myself that it's coming to an end very soon

 

[cooleddie74]

Just stick the landing. After last year's crash and burn I'm not asking for much.

 

[Commander K]

Expecting a post credits scene in final episode with a 3 second preview of season 4...

 

[Yistaan]

Just stick the landing. After last year's crash and burn I'm not asking for much.

Don't worry, they're homaging BOTH previous season finales for this one.

Shaw suddenly steals the quantum tunneler weapon and a shuttle and goes back in time to the Battle of Wolf 359 to save his girlfriend Teresa before the battle happens, where he promptly fails to change anything and is assimilated for his trouble, becoming the Borg he hates so much and homaging both Rios and Jurati's fates.

In the 25th century, Picard and crew are puzzled why nothing has changed since Shaw's time travel. It's suddenly revealed that Jack's visions are a result of being born of Picard's Locutus sperm and that Borg Shaw, still alive, has been messaging him the entire time, begging to be put out of his misery.

In a homage to season 1's finale, they then find Borg Shaw and Picard calmly removes some chips from Borg Shaw's cybernetics to kill him and give him a merciful death.