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The Unsuccessful Star Wars

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Inspired by a discussion in the Retro Sci Fi Urban Legends, Misconceptions, and Assorted Errors. Consider an alternate timeline where A New Hope wasn't the groundbreaking film it ended up being. What happens to the franchise? Does Splinter of a Mind's Eye get made as a low-budget sequel? Does any sequel get made? What about the bigger picture? I would assume a slew of sci-fi films don't get made from cash-grabs like Starcrash or Battle Beyond the Stars, to TMP and Close Encounters. Are present-day visual effects stuck in the 1980s without Lucas and ILM constantly developing new techniques?
 
Don't forget television. Without 'Star Wars', there's probably no 'Buck Rogers' or 'Battlestar Galactica'. The British would still get 'Blake's 7' as that had already started filming before 'Star Wars' premiered in the UK.
 
But that would mean no "Moonraker"?:whistle:

No Moonraker 1979, but it is a Fleming novel so I suspect we'd have got some version of Moonraker someday, it would likely have been more faithful to the book and featured nuclear missiles targeting London rather than Roger Moore in space with "lasers" though.

Moonraker is the rarest of Bond films. It manages to be terrible and magnificent all at the same time :lol:
 
OK, alternate timeline off the top of my head: -
No Star Wars immediately means no 'Alien', no 'Blade Runner', meaning Ridley Scott either sticks to more grounded dramas, or goes back to advertising after the collapse of the 'Dune' project. Speaking of 'Dune', that probably never gets made either, because the ongoing success of the Star Wars trilogy is what gave investors the confidence to secure funding.
Also no 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and with it likely goes Harrison Ford's acting career since he was already almost ready to throw the towel in by the late 70's. No VFX & SFX boom in the early 80's, mean the modern blockbuster as we know it simply doesn't happen. It would also by extension mean no Pixar since that was spun off from LF's R&D program, so no 'Toy Story' and the 3D animated revolution that followed. As a result, Disney might have folded as a studio by the late 90's as animated movies die a slow death, becoming little more than a licenced merchandise machine and probably bought out by some corporation or another in the early 2000's or 2010's.

Films like 'Poltergeist', 'Ghostbusters' may have been made, but with much less impressive or ambitious effect, and as a result probably not as popular or successful. By this point, E.T. is probably the only successful family friendly sci-fi movie of the era, but without Star Wars there's no overall tonal shift from the gritty cynicism of 70's cinema to the pure escapism of the 80's, so that also probably kills most bombastic 80's action action movies too, with instead a continued focus on urban crime dramas, period pieces, and wacky comedies. We still probably get a few imitators like 'Mac and Me' though, alas.

So no fantasy movies like 'Dragonslayer', 'The NeverEnding Story', 'The Dark Crystal' or 'Conan the Barbarian', which means Arnold Schwarzenegger's career never gets off the ground and Lance Hendrickson is instead cast in as the title role in 'The Terminator'. That movie probably only has modest success, and since 'Alien' doesn't exist, neither does 'Aliens' and whatever Cameron's next project is, it's almost certainly not going to be 'The Abyss', and if T2 happens at all, it'll be a cheap straight-to-video affair. 'The Predator' also probably never happens, neither does 'Back to the Future' in any form we'd recognise, instead released as 'Spaceman from Pluto' as an over-ambitious neigh incoherent mess, does not star MJF as he was unwilling to split his time on a successful sitcom for such a weird, out there concept and is an instant forgettable flop with no sequels.

'Jurassic Park' might still end up getting made, but the dinosaurs are instead realised by fairly crude stop motion effects instead of CG, and even that is without the benefit of a decade's worth of experience. The end result is only slightly more impressive than 1976's 'King Kong' remake.

Things get less and less predictable the more time goes on, but by the 2000's you're into the era when you get new up-and coming filmmakers influenced by what they saw as kids, and in this timeline, what they saw isn't what we saw so whatever they make it's not going to match up at all. A big chunk of that influence though was the 80's boom in fantasy movies and schlock horrors, so probably no Peter Jackson making LotR. 'The Matrix' exists only as a handful of forgotten comic strips in a handful of late 90's periodical genre magazines.

From a wider perspective there may also be a knock-on effect to both the home computer market and the resurgence in video game technology after the '83 crash, since it was the VFX companies that were largely driving the hardware forwards. So that could mean no mass adoption of the Windows 95 platform, no iMacs, iPods, iPhones, and indeed most computer consumer electronics slows to a relative crawl, and no modern internet as we have today.

Not bad of a little independent movie about space wizards and talking robots.
 
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I wonder if Paramount would have invested in an FX house for Star Trek if it was the flagship of their new network? Can Shatner and company hold a new network like Voyager and Enterprise tried to do fifteen to twenty years later?

Would Speilberg be successful enough to reboot Warner Brother's animation around 1990?
 
Would Speilberg be successful enough to reboot Warner Brother's animation around 1990?
I think Spielberg would have been OK for the most part. 'E.T.' would still have landed with audiences even without ILM's involvement. Without 'Indiana Jones' though he may not have had as much clout initially, but I still think 'The Color Purple' and 'Empire of the Sun' would have gotten made, which solidified his standing with the academy, and even if it wasn't as revolutionary, any version of 'Jurassic Park' he makes is bound to be a crowd pleaser and a box office draw, especially in a market starved for adventurous escapism over the previous decade.

But who knows; in this timeline '1941' could have been a smash hit! Worse movies have certainly made a ton of money when the timing was just right. Also, without the three Indy films; this is probably a timeline in which he actually makes 'Blackhawk', 'Reel to Reel' and 'Night Skies', the latter of which may eliminate 'Gremlins' as a project a few years later (or at least his involvement in it) given the similar tone and subject matter. Similarly I think he still doesn't make 'E.T. II: Nocturnal Fears', both because this and 'Night Skies' seem like they'd be mutually exclusive, and for the same basic reason he didn't follow through with it in reality (it's just a fundamentally bad idea.)

'Hook' may have flopped quite badly though. It was a high risk project and if the VFX industry just wasn't up to realising some of the visuals, it would have really struggled not to collapse under it's own weight.

'A.I. Artificial Intelligence' presents interesting possibilities since he seemed to make it mostly because it was Kubrick's passion project that he never got to finish, therefore this feels like a "come hell or high water" project for him. No telling what the state of VFX would be by the turn of the century, but it's a fair bet the computer technology would still be a decade behind, just now getting into simple photoreal renders, morphs, and digital compositing, so it would have worked, albeit achieved with more traditional methods. Teddy for example would likely have been realised with more traditional puppetry instead of the sophisticated animatronics that just aren't there yet.
Which actually brings us to Stan Winston, who without getting his start on 'Terminator', probably doesn't get hired on for Jurassic Park and this almost certainly not AI either. So many Teddy would be a Jim Henson puppet?

Now that I think about it, A.I. would have to be the potential to be THE blockbuster of the early 2000's since there's no 'Titanic', no 'Matrix', obviously no Star Wars prequels, and it's debatable what happens to the superhero resurgence. Maybe 'Spider-Man' gets made much earlier, maybe 'Blade' has a very different, more campy tone, maybe X-Men doesn't happen at all?

Hell, maybe in this timeline 'Howard the Duck' does astonishingly well and it's TMNT that falls flat?
 
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It was still around the right time for a space adventure. Technology was at a point where someone would have got the fx right even if Lucas had not. Disney had been considering the film that eventually became The Black Hole before Star Wars was really on the radar, but the original plans had been shelved. What we got was this ridiculously weird thrown together film that was a mix of old and new technology, good and.. not so good acting, and well, let's not talk about the ending.

But it's not inconceivable to me in this world where Star Wars bombs, and Star Trek Phase 2 stays in development hell, that Disney does go ahead with Space Station One, or whatever they would have called it, with perhaps the aid of ILM, and it's a triumph.

Eyes turn to the old sci-fi serials, and before long Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and John Carter all get their movies with varying levels of success. Star Trek finally gets brought out of development hell by Paramount because it's there and doing well in reruns. Roddenberry is busy with some other show he's sold to one of the big three so doesn't meddle in the property and the Trek we get looks very little like what we really have now. Star Wars remains a curiosity.

Without a franchise built around it, Star Wars develops a cult-like following but it's flaws are more easily lampooned and discussed due to its lack of iconic status. It winds up riffed by some Minnesota commedians and puppeteers on a late night Minnesota b-movie show, and apart from a bad LaserDisc-to-DVD transfer is mostly forgotten.
 
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